Comment on Anon notices some fan service

• RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Wearing a bikini top in hot weather isn’t exhibitionism.

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  • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    look ricky, i know you’re reasonable. we’re not talking about the character in a vacuum, we’re talking about kojimas extreme defense of what would otherwise have been accepted as just standard fanservice, and the fact that the excuse was so flimsy. quiet doesn’t fit into her setting, sure. that happens in a lot of japanese media. but kojima made such a big deal about it before release that she somehow fits in worse than if he had said nothing.

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    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      we’re not talking about the character in a vacuum, we’re talking about kojimas extreme defense of

      Deflection / Framing Control

      That’s what you’re talking about.

      You’re dissatisfied with the canon explanation for Quiet’s exposure, you think Hideo made too big of a deal about it, that Hideo should have just said ‘yep I’m doing fan-service’.

      Ricky is just stating that he finds conventionally physically attractive women physically attractive, that this is not a fetish, that wearing clothes that broadly fit the climate and Quiet’s combat role is not exhibitionism.

      You keep talking past him, and the original commenter, never acknowledging that you keep throwing out tangential exaggerations, based around Kojima, that don’t apply to the people you’re talking to, the things they are saying.

      You’re talking, but you’re not listening.

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      • lime@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        wow, good analysis. genuinely, you managed to de-escalate any tension before it appeared.

        the reason i’m talking about framing is that that’s what the thread is about. saying “i enjoy attractive ladies in games” in this thread is implicitly in the context provided by the OPs image; the implicit sentence here is “personally i had no problem with quiet in particular”. my original pushback was that context matters, and that the stated reason something is made needs to be taken into account. like, since kojimbo stated that there was a very good reason for her to act and dress like she does, the fact that the reason is bad makes the decision worse. that’s a hole he has written himself into, it’s a very weird inclusion, and the fact he keeps defending the decision just makes it weirder.

        i also like sexy women in my games, but i’m not the kind of person to just slap nude mods onto tomb raider or resident evil. there is a time and a place.

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      • Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I agree with most of this, save for

        conventionally physically attractive women physically attractive, that this is not a fetish

        it definitely is a fetish, just one of the most socially accepted ones.

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• Sunsofold@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Can you really call it exhibitionism if it’s a constructed storyline?

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  • lime@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    not sure how to answer that actually.

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  • DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If it has to be sexual than it wouldn’t be possible. This is the real question.

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• SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  So it licking feet. Nothing to be ashamed of

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  • RamenJunkie@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Man, I heard people talk aboit Tarantino’s foot fetish, and I had not really looked closely at it until I went to see Kill Bill in a theater a few months ago. Now this is a movie I have watched a LOT, but after the 6th time we got a close up of Uma Thurman’s feet, 20 feet tall on the screen, god, I realized then who people pointed out his foot problem.

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  • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    absolutely. but trying to deflect it like kojumbo did shows that he definitely was ashamed.

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