Tried, doesn’t work. Just makes you feel sick.
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Dasus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Trying doing some ecstasy/mushrooms/LSD
balian@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 5 months ago
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It also depends a lot on how you did and what and in what sort of an environment and with what sort of company.
These experiences are highly subjective and I don’t deny that often mushrooms cause nausea for instance. LSD and MDMA less so, but it’s not unheard of.
They’re not perfect, but there’s very much is science behind my point.
balian@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 5 months ago
I believe enjoying these things needs the kind of environment that had it been available, you simply wouldn’t need narcotics to enjoy yourself in the first place.
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
LSD, shrooms and MDMA are a specific groups of drugs. Just like narcotics are. But they aren’t the same group. Opiates, benzos, etc “downers” are narcotics if we’re being technical.
Tell me, how long have you suffered from treatment resistant severe clinical depression? Oh you haven’t? Ah. But you’re just saying those people would be just as well off without said medication?
Mind you, I don’t think you complain when people have a drink or two to relax.
Psythik@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It also won’t fix the problem, and also make you realize that you’ve never felt true happiness before in your life. And then you further realize that you never will again without drugs.
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It most definitely can. While obviously recreational use is a bit different than having MDMA/psilocybin/LSD-therapy (or ketamine, which is slightly more acceptable for some reason, but works in a different fashion psychoactively so not relevant here).
Lol any other drug propaganda you heard in preschool you wish to share? I’ve done every single drug you can think of, never addicted to anything except maybe weed a bit (and when I was younger also cigarettes and caffeine), and I’ve never felt anything even close as powerful as when you properly get infatuated. Because that is honestly a very strong cocktail of hormones and the difference between hormones and neurotransmitters is quite small, some acting as both.
Also incorrect. Was you first time tasting coffee the strongest caffeine rush you’ve had, or was it a bit later when you’d got used to it and could binge? Same with alcohol. Except that with serotonergic substances, you don’t do that.
One single use can alleviate severely depression on terminally ill patients for months. Literally. That’s not those people being high or having some false sense of happiness.
If you want me to get more objective about how it works and why I suggest it to OP, then here. Think of your emotional memory being associative memory, like smells are. You can probably remember what your first gf/bf smelled like, at least vaguely, but if you actually had the taste in front of your nose, it would unlock just tons of visceral memories. Now you had those memories even before having the scent in your nose, but they were sort of “locked” behind the associated trigger. It’s not about what is a trigger and what is not, but the general associative nature of it. When you do a serotonergic substance for a sufficient dose, it floods your head with all sorts of those triggers, but the ones that have to do with serotonin, ie good feelings of unity etc orrr on the flipside high anxiety (that’s why MDMA with a therapist is preferred to shrooms by yourself, so it actually goes the pleasant route and you don’t get a serotonin induced panic response, ie a “bad trip”). And since your brain is flooded, it also unlocks a lot of memories of happy times and contentedness, which in depression just sort of “fade away” because you haven’t felt them in a long time and depression is a feedback loop.
Thats why you need a powerful substance to break the loop.
So unlike psychiatrist have been pushing for like 30 years, serotonin reuptake inhibitors (prozac, cipralex, escitalopram, etc) don’t actually function well, despite there being a little bit of an idea behind it (as in a correctly identified system, serotonin). The problem is that low dose over a long time won’t help, high dose over a short time will. Kinda like setting something on fire. A slightly warm electric battery won’t help no matter how long you keep dry grass on it.
Shit analogy at the end but the theories hold true.
I can find more detailed sources but I’m kinda tired and wrote all that already so leave your questions/doubts under this akd I’ll adress them tomorrow if you can’t find it on this basic wiki which I didn’t read currently I’ve just read a lot over the years and can’t be arsed to try and look for specific references rn
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_therapy
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It can also force you to confront your issues rather than just staring at them cowering. Every acid trip I’ve had has included about an hour of my brain sitting me down and going “ok, real talk Cap, here’s something you’ve been up to that’s hurting you and/or others.” It also forced me to really confront the feelings I’d been strong in the face of. It also forces you to rethink and reevaluate situations. And all that was semi recreational
Psythik@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I should mention that I speak from experience. I am not anti-drug, quite the opposite in fact. I’m just realistic about it, so the novel was completely unnecessary. I have ADHD so I’m not going to read that all anyway.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 5 months ago
Don’t use ADHD as an excuse to not read a comment. Just be an adult and say "yeah, I don’t care to read that. And choose to end the conversation by not listening to others. Passive excuse is so lame.