Comment on Lutris now being built with Claude AI, developer decides to hide it after backlash

• aksdb@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That is for each developer to decide, if they can handle it or not.

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  • tonytins@pawb.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    As I said: judge the result, not the workflow.

    I’ve tested AI myself and seen the results. I’ll judge how I see fit.

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    • aksdb@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I am not talking about the result of the AI. I am talking about Lutris. If the code that ends up in the repo is fine, it doesn’t matter if it was the author, an agent, or an agent followed by a ton of cleanup by the author. If the code is shit it also doesn’t matter if it was an incompetent AI or an incompetent human. Shitty code is shitty, good code is good. The result matters.

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      • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        There’s a problem with that. The vast majority of Linux users are probably more tech savvy than average but I’d wager not all of them or even the vast majority have the skills to vet the code.

        Lots of the people in the gaming space who are having Lutris suggested/recommended to them are not going in to check that code for problems. They install the flatpak on move on with their lives.

        It appears (from what I’ve read which isn’t necessarily the end all be all) that the people taking exception to the use of AI to code Lutris are doing so because they do decompile and vet code.

        My understanding is that it’s harder to get AI code in general because when it hallucinates it may do so in ways that appear correct on the surface, and or do so in ways that don’t even give a significant indication of what that code is attempting to do. This is the problem with vibe coding in general from my understanding and it becomes harder and harder even for senior code engineers to check the output because of the lack of a frame of reference.

        You’re asking people who don’t have the skills to ignore people who do have the skills who are sounding the alarm.

        I get that this person is a single person writing code and disseminating it for free. I get that we should be thankful for free and open software. I fully understand why this person might use AI to help with coding.

        I understand that they are upset about the backlash. But that was a very much foreseeable consequence of the credits they gave the AI (a choice they made), and honestly the use of AI (which might have been called out later on if they hadn’t credited it).

        They shot themselves in the foot with the part of their response that was flippant and a “fuck you” to anyone who might find the use of AI concerning.

        There’s also the fact that AI is something that a lot of people in the Linux community at large seem to already be boycotting and boycotting derivatives of it make sense.

        Just because you create something for free doesn’t mean people have to use it. Or that people aren’t free to boycott it.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    judge the result, not the workflow.

    This kind of seems like bad advice in general. The process to create a result is often extremely important to be aware of. For example, if possible, I would like to not consume products built with slave labor.

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    • aksdb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Depends. If you are generally careful about what products/projects you use and audit them, and you notice that the owner has horrible code hygiene, bad dependency management, etc., then sure. But why judge them for the tools they use? You can still audit the result the same way. And if you notice that code hygiene and dependencies suck, does it matter if they suck because the author mis-used coding agents, because they simply didn’t give a damn, or because they are incapable of doing any better?

      You’ve likely stumbled on open source repos in the past where you rolled your eyes after looking into them. At least I have. More than once. And that was long long before we had coding agents. I’ve used software where I later saw the code and was suprised this ever worked. Hell, I’ve found old code of myself where I wondered why this ever worked and what the fuck I’ve been smoking back then.

      It’s ok to consider agent usage a red flag that makes you look closer at the code. But I find it unfair to dismiss someones work or abilities just because they use an agent, without even looking at what they produce. And by produce I don’t mean the final binary, but their code.

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