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yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip 1 day agoVegan can eat meat produced in labs.
This made me think whether in order to produce lab grown meat, wouldn’t they have to use real meat as a reference point? And if yes, is it truly vegan, then? If they’re just printing meat used from one real meat source?
I know nothing about lab grown meat, but I just wondered where they get the source material to grow it.
Ofc, as almost everything in life, it comes with a “it depends”.
There are a lot of interesting ethical questions and how strict one should be about their veganism etc. I’m not judging, because it’s up to the individual to decide where the line is drawn. Personally I think labgrown meat is interesting and if it could become a way to have meat in the future and avoid most of the problems we see today, then I’m all for it.
I’m also not a vegan myself, but have cut pork out of my life and rarely eat beef. Mostly stick to chicken and veggie alternatives so I know the endless consideration of where the limit goes. We can only do our best at the end of the day.
But yeah, I just find the subject of lab grown meat interesting in how a vegan would handle that concept - which is different from person to person, I’m sure.
Ho yeah. I’m not vegan, I’ve been a vegetarian for the most part of my life now but I was alwaya quite lucid: I am not vegan because I do not have the courage to be. It is extremely easy to be a vegetarian in a rich country in 2026 but it still is not to be vegan.
Socially, vegetarian is acceptable and even often seen as brave or whatever. You can easily not eat meat when you’re invited or go out to eat. Veganism is often seen as extreme and it is hard to eat out or get invited.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Not completely true. There’s a tick which can make you allergic to animal cell structures, basically making you vegan. So lab grown meat would still be a no no. For me, I want to eat plant (and fungi) based products so I don’t want lab grown meat (although I would like to try it once). I think lab grown meat is amazing, because people who desperately want to eat meat can do so without feeding the fucked up meat industry. Less livestock means less chance on virus mutation, so less chance of pandemics. I think this is the most important reason to reduce global livestock.
Manticore@lemmy.nz 15 hours ago
Your point about the tick is correct, but I’m not sure if that counts as veganism? Theres a significant difference between vegetarianism and veganism beyond the diet itself.
Vegetarianism is a dietary restriction around consuming flesh, whereas veganism is a philosophical restriction around animal suffering/exploitation. But even that philosophy can have different interpretations (what counts as suffering? What counts as exploitation?).
Thus vegans having a reputation of being inflexible, because eating nonvegan is a violation of their personal principles; whereas most vegetarians won’t care what you eat so long as you still provide something they can eat.
Therefore I’d expect vegetarians don’t eat lab meat (it’s flesh) but many vegans may (if they believe it is developed ethically, and doesn’t incentivise unethical practice).
But IMO both of the terms are pretty absolute and inflexible. An increasingly large number of people ate ‘vegan except for X’, or vegetarian [98]% of the time’, and we don’t have words to distinguish them from those who don’t plan to reduce animal products at all. I’d like if there was, to encourage people to have more varied diets without seeing it as ‘all or nothing’. Significantly reducing animal intake is still an environmental win even if they can’t eliminate it.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
First of, vegetarianism means not eating meat while veganism means not using animal products including eggs, honey, milk, leather, wool, etc. As someone else noted, apparently Wikipedia and other sources state there’s a difference between vegan diet and vegan philosophy. Although imo if you just do not eat animal products but still use leather you’re just following a plant based diet while not being vegan. Like some pro athletes, they have a plant based diet just because of sports and health, not because they care so much about animals and/or the environment.
But in the end it’s just a matter of labeling. I don’t really care about that, or whether people become full vegan. A sling as people become more aware of what they consume and reduce it a bit, that’s already a win imo. People should find the way which works the best for them.
I’m would be a full vegan if not for one thing: cheese. I have barely no non-sugar alternatives to put daily on my bread so I still consume some cheese (which technically isn’t even vegetarian). This works for me. Anyone who doesn’t like it can suck it, I do so much but I need this thing in my life.
Some vegans might eat lab grown meat because it would fit in their life philosophy, some wouldn’t. It all depends on why people chose to be vegan and what they are comfortable with.
Manticore@lemmy.nz 3 hours ago
Much agreed. Humans are the only species were aware of that can make ethical considerations in their diet, and there are so many ways to do that.
My preference is towards sustainably and environmentalism, as limited by my income bracket. So I love mushrooms, love vegetarian dishes, eat in season; but still eat eggs, dairy, and cheap meat for affordable protein. But I prefer sustainable farming practices, and using low-cost cuts like sausagemeat that might otherwise be wasted. I can’t afford most plant-based alternatives because they’re considered ‘lifestyle’ luxuries, so I have to have whey protein instead of pea, etc. But eggs are cheap enough I can splurge on free range with SPCA cert, and I love me a sweet-potato-mushroom burger patty if I can afford one. Nut mince is also great for nachos.
This means I support insect farms for future protein sources, since they use far less resources than even plant-based alternatives and are much cheaper and more land efficient. That makes me different from most vegetarians and vegans it seems, but I don’t consider our philosophies to be in conflict. Ultimately we share a common goal in maintaining more ethical diets that limit the harm we cause, and there are several approaches to do that. Every step we can affordable maintain is progress to a kinder and more sustainable world.
yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
It depends if you consider veganism as a philosophy or a diet. I consider it a philosophy because I do not eat leather yet veganism prohibit its use.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 hours ago
Being vegan means not using animal products. That’s different to a plant based diet. In sports a plant based diet became popular since a documentery on Netflix, but these people aren’t vegan as they do use leather, wool and bees wax for example.
yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip 22 hours ago
As I said, veganism can be considered a diet or a philosophy. At least that’s what Wikipedia and every online dictionaries say.