I enjoyed Persona 5, but looking back on it… It’s pretty fucking shallow.
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BaraCoded@literature.cafe 8 hours ago
Ff7 remake is 100% fan-service AAA slop. Play real jRPGs, play Persona5, Expedition 33, play the original, but not that brain-rotting time-stealing remake, it’s an insult to life itself.
Although I admit it was a very pretty game. Now all they have to do is take their precious game engine and make a real game out of it.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
BaraCoded@literature.cafe 9 minutes ago
At the time their modern formula appeared on PS2 (Persona 3&4), they were a welcome change of tone and design in a market dominated by Final Fantasy-ish operatic jrpgs.
They’re obvioulsy milking it now, which make the apparition of Expedition 33 and other -indie- JRPGs a very good sign to me. I’d love a remake of Vagrant Story or Koudelka, too…
zikzak025@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Yeah, I’d describe the Persona games as a nice change of pace, but they’re not particularly deep. Persona divides it’s bandwidth between the JRPG and VN elements but doesn’t go too far in either as to make it overwhelming.
The core Shin Megami Tensei series is probably the better representative for that type of JRPG, but fewer people give a damn about those games because they aren’t cute Japanese high school simulator.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
I’m not a fan of JRPGs. FF7 was kind of the exception. I tried 8 and 9, but couldn’t get into them.
We have Persona 5 on PS3 and Persona 5 Royal on Switch. It’s a cool game, but I can only hear you’ll never see it coming but so many times before I go mad. I’ve met some of the voice actors though, so that’s cool.
I wish I got to play more of Expedition 33. The first part was a blast. Then I got to this fight I thought I had to lose because it was scripted. When it ended and said I died, I’m like “when did this become Dark Souls?”. Took me right out of the immersion. I’ve heard the difficulty has been balanced since then? I ended up reading a summary of what happens in the story, and I am so lost… I imagine if I experienced it in-game as opposed to reading a couple paragraphs on Wikipedia, it would make more sense.
BaraCoded@literature.cafe 22 minutes ago
Your expedition 33 experience is relatable, actually. They’ve made a Jrpg so well they even got the “let the scenario become confusing as fuck” part right.
Like FF7 remake 1&2 :) Or Kingdom Hearts.
I think what you like about FF7 remake is that it is not a JRPG, but an action-rpg. I’ll say it’s a good one on that aspect, I just hated the generic ubisoft open-world design with tons of boring minigames as fillers for badly paced/light novel narrative beats.
I do love Persona 5 OST but yeah, there is an overdose at some point. Expedition 33 avoids that by having a specific OST for each zone of the game.
I have no specific action-rpg to recommend in mind, except kingdom hearts 2 if you feel like going a bit retro.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The further you get into CO:E33, the more it becomes about parries, and the less your actual RPG systems matter. And the story…I’m guessing you understood it just fine. It kind of discards a lot of its setup in the transition from act 2 to act 3, replacing the beginning of one story for the ending of a totally different one.
BaraCoded@literature.cafe 19 minutes ago
I actually enjoyed that, and it was foreshadowed, but i’d also defy anybody to explain FF7 Remake’s scenario to me in a way that’d make it clear XD
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
FF has been steadily turning from actual role playing games where the gameplay was once in the driver’s seat and the scenes and story add spice and flavor, to vaguely interactive “cinematic experiences” where the story being endlessly shoved down your throat is the purpose, and the gameplay is just a repetitive distraction from the real novelty which is the crazy stories and cutscenes they come up with.
Ironically FF7 itself was probably the beginning of that trend, thanks to the ability of Playstation CDs to hold so much FMV compared to the limits of ROMs at the time. They dove in headfirst and never looked back, and that came to define the franchise from that point forward. 3 Discs of FMV was pretty over-the-top for their first release on the platform, but the franchise’s addiction to relentless cinematics never waned, it only increased. And the relegation of gameplay being put in the passenger seat, then the back seat, then the trunk, then dragged behind the vehicle to its inevitable death as the art and story become the sole focus became more pronounced with each new entry in the series.
I loved FF7 (and 8, and somewhat less 9, and even 10, and 12 have some redeeming qualities) but the steady and continuous trend away from compelling gameplay towards visual spectacle is abundantly clear.
I haven’t played an FF game since 12, remakes or otherwise, and I don’t plan to. I’ve read the writing on the wall, and I see who they’re making games for, and it’s not me. Maybe it’s other people. Maybe it’s themselves, I don’t know. All I know is it’s not me. I have no interest.
BaraCoded@literature.cafe 15 minutes ago
Completely agree