Comment on Alton Towers bans people with anxiety from using disability pass

bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Zombie@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s assuming it’s actually people and not bots driving “engagement”.

  Is there really enough people signed up to a Telegraph account to provide 172 comments on a minor story within a day of publishing?

  I don’t know, maybe, but I’m dubious.

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  • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The telegraph’s main demographic is lonely, angry, retired gammons

    I can 100% believe there are a shitload of them spending their final years vomiting bile into internet comment sections, completely earnestly

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  • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    God I hope you’re right, but idk, I can imagine that Telegraph readers self-select for bot aspirancy.

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    • Hacksaw@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The biggest hint is the names. People who are assholes online LOVE to hide behind anonymity. It is very surprising that 3 people in a row said heinous things using their real names like that.

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      • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Nah, not at all indicative, it’s super common in the UK for people to use their real name when writing letters to the newspaper, most tories are boomers so it’s nothing out of the ordinary to see this at all.

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• tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I used to think the same, but I’m not so sure anymore. My mum works in the council and she constantly tells me first hand stories of people simply abusing the system. Not one offs, but significant numbers.

  Her bitterness about it stems from the fact that many of the families doing it aren’t that integrated into society.

  On the one hand, life is fucking tough right now and people should be using whatever advantage they have to get by. On the otherhand, in a fairer world, people wouldn’t be exploiting the system at all.

  I never really understand where Tories lie on the spectrum of equity/fairness/corruption given their horrific track record, but I can understand the frustration of seeing others doing better than you should be…

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  • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Her bitterness about it stems from the fact that many of the families doing it aren’t that integrated into society.

    Can you clarify what you mean by this?

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    • tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      She’s seeing people who have paid taxes here not reaping the benefits of the social welfare they have paid into, whilst dealing with the disconnect of seeing others who seem to be dodging taxes altogether reaping more benefits.

      It’s a hard pill for her to swallow, as someone who always did things by the books.

      I’ve told her billionaries operate under the same modus operandi, but that does little to assay her bitterness

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      • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m picking up a vibe that their ethnicity might be something she mentions, am I right? Not being accusatory or anything here, just trying to have an honest conversation.

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The truth is in the middle. I know someone who works in the hospital, a lot of the rough sleepers they come across aren’t really helping themselves nor extremely interested in actually getting help. Some people do just take advantage of the system as in our culture we tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. This is why people come over in small boats from France, because they see our empathy as something to be taken advantage of. And it works for them.

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    • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is why people come over in small boats from France, because they see our empathy as something to be taken advantage of.

      Oh, actually, this isn’t true, usually it’s because they speak English. The UK is quite a nasty place for immigrants.

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Is it much worse than the rest of Europe? Basically every european country seems to have a populist right wing anti immigration movement

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      • tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s not though. All the major cities have cultural hubs and communities where migrants can find their place amongst their brethren. It used to be one of our strengths.

        Compare that to Germany where even the Turks and Italians who have lived there for generations are still seen as oddities to be frowned on.

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    • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      a lot of the rough sleepers they come across aren’t really helping themselves nor extremely interested in actually getting help

      Unhoused people more often than not have quite a series of issues which are at odds with them helping themselves or proactively seeking help. I think this is the issue with most cases like this where people think others are “exploiting” the system, simply because they don’t know what it’s like to live that person’s life, you know what I mean?

      Either way, no matter how many people really do abuse benefits, it doesn’t come anywhere close to the exploitation that the ruling class subject us to.

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        A lot of people probably could be rehabilitated through either rehab programmes or adequate mental health support. Possibly the majority if not all.

        it doesn’t come anywhere close to the exploitation that the ruling class subject us to.

        Facts.

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    • flamingos@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is why people come over in small boats from France, because they see our empathy as something to be taken advantage of. And it works for them.

      I don’t know how you can see abysmal living conditions, hate crime and being subjected to attempted pogroms as ‘works for them’. I’ve linked you stuff in the past telling about how bad conditions are for asylum seekers, I’m honestly getting sick of pushing back on your vibes based, callous anti-asylum seeker rhetoric for it to constantly fall on deaf ears.

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m not anti asylum seeker. I’m anti people taking advantage of the system for legitimate asylum seekers. There are people coming over from France. France isn’t that bad. Also in addition, there’s been attempted pogroms here.

        I can’t remember the statistic, but the majority of asylum seekers don’t even come over in small boats. They’re typically legal immigrants who cannot return home or extend their visa. I’m talking about the widely condemned human trafficking industry that takes advantage of our system to make a business of bringing people across the channel.

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    • Hacksaw@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There isn’t a single homeless person successfully taking advantage of society. If you’re “successfully” scamming society, why are you destitute??

      Lots of homeless are assholes, belligerent, alcoholic, drug addicts, disregard laws, rules, and procedures. But they’re not “taking advantage”. If they were UNFAIRLY benefiting then they would by definition have more than the bare minimum required to live a decent life, not LESS. It’s the system that’s depriving all of us of the necessities of a dignified life, putting them behind a paywall.

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