Comment on in all fairness italian cuisine is a relatively recent invention

• arc99@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Definitely - foods like British / Scottish / Irish / Ulster fry, pork pies, bangers & mash, fish & chips, Sunday roast (carved meat, roast potatoes, yorkshire puds), shepherd’s pie, beef wellington to name a few. Plenty of deserts too.

  A Sunday roast / carvery is basically what Americans get when they order prime rib. The cut of meat is slightly different due to different classifications but for all intents and purposes it’s a Sunday rib roast. For some bizarre reason in the US it’s regarded as fine dining with a price 4x as much as it would be for a better Sunday roast meal / carvery in a British pub. Over two decades ago I went to dine in a Lawry’s Prime Rib in Chicago - big mistake - massively overpriced for what it was.

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  • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Out of the food you mentioned only Beef Wellington and English Breakfast/Ulster Fry/ are uniquely British. Everything else is either not a dish (fried sausage and potatoes definitely is not a dish you philistine :P).

    Pork pies, fish and chips, roast, shepherds pie - it is eaten in Britain, but is not unique to them, as was historically eaten across the whole Europe (I mean it is fish and chips, it didn’t need “inventing”)

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    • originaltnavn@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think we need these smaller distinctions to have a meaningful conversation about food. If not, French crepes would be too similar to Norwegian pancakes, pizza and quiche could be the same if you ignore the yeast and tomato sauce, and if you really want to stretch it you could group Japanese ramen and Polish pasta soup together. In some ways I want to agree with you, for good ideas usually pop up multiple times and places, but I am too fond of traveling and tasting different food traditions to give in.

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      • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Fair.

        Polish rosół is much more similar to French consomme than to ramen though. The stretch to ramen would be rather significant.

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    • arc99@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yes all those other things are distinctly British. Britain didn’t function in a vacuum and I’m sure there are influences to everything. But if you eat a British pork pie you absolutely know what it is. Same for fish and chips. Same for all those things.

      Since we’re comparing to Italy where do you think tomatoes came from? Do you think pasta wasn’t independently invented in many places? Do you think olive oil, or bread, ragus, salted pork etc weren’t also done elsewhere?

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      • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And if you were to say, for example, that pasta with tomato sauce is an Italian dish, I’d argue it’s not, as pasta was eaten across the whole Europe, and likely first added tomato happened in Britain.

        Bolognese sauce with pasta on the other hand would definitely be Italian dish. Do you see the distinction?

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