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unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 6 hours agoyou can never be sure that they are actually freely consenting.
They’re adults. That’s all you need to know.
Also, not condoning grooming or whatever.
I want you to ask yourself something.
“What is my point? Why am I arguing in favor of this?”
I don’t know your answer to the question and I assume your current opinion is not one that you thought a lot about. It is just a spontaneous thought.
I think that because I am wondering when I read your comment, why is defending the right to have incest for some “fucking weird” people when you were just made aware of the danger of grooming, especially in that context?
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You can never be really sure that they are freely consenting
I am in no way arguing for incest. I am not arguing for mistreatment of anyone. Or that it’s appropriate to misconstrue the facts to hide “family secrets”. I am well aware of the dangers of grooming. If you want to go into people’s homes to see if adults are behaving themselves sexually, then you also are deranged.
I don’t think anyone argued for “going into people’s houses to check”.
But the question about “freely consenting” is grooming and power dynamics. So if you are not in favor of these things, what was said that you have an issue with?
Just as a reminder, the topic was what the problem with incest is.
I think that because I am wondering when I read your comment, why are you defending the right to have incest for some “fucking weird” people when you were just made aware of the danger of grooming, especially in that context?
You are pushing me into a corner with your own definitions of “power dynamics” and consent. I can’t speak for anyone else on consent, which is what originally provoked me, that someone else would want to reach in and define consent or question others’ adult definitions. Look into some kink play, again, people are pretty fucking weird.
I don’t really agree with him but I do not think they’re arguing in favor of it, just going “meh adults who cares go ahead”. I’m favor who be like, no it’s good actually
I think they are trying to make a nuanced take but the nuance is not really there in that specific case, causing them to argue accidentally for something that they don’t agree with. But I could be mistaken and miss something huge and there is an important nuance.
Signtist@bookwyr.me 5 hours ago
Sure, people can just be that weird, and maybe most instances are, but any time you’re dealing with a situation where someone is having sex with a person who knew and had influence over them during childhood, it’s difficult to say they didn’t push a little too much to end up at this result.
It’s like a young adult dating an old friend of their parents; most people’s minds immediately go to that one time 10 years ago where they both disappeared for an hour in the middle of a barbecue and got kinda defensive about it afterward…
Red_October@piefed.world 2 hours ago
You’re really implying a considerable age difference here though, and that’s not really implied in either the original fake story or the hypothetical posed here. It’s not like dating an old friend of their parents, it’s more like dating their childhood best friend.
Signtist@bookwyr.me 2 hours ago
I mean, if the siblings are similar in age then yeah, I could see it being like a childhood best friend, but even a difference of, say, 4 years would be great enough that grooming could very well be in play.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 4 hours ago
I must reiterate, I am not advocating for incest. When someone says “you can never be really sure that they are freely consenting”, my reaction is astonishment. Who is that person to judge what any of that means?
Signtist@bookwyr.me 4 hours ago
Who are we to worry about the wellbeing of our loved ones? We’re well-meaning adults in a situation where we can’t be certain they weren’t raped. We might be wrong and sticking our nose where it doesn’t belong, or we might be right and end up being the one person dedicated enough to save another person from a case of grooming. Those cases specifically rely on a person to dig too deep - they wouldn’t be uncovered otherwise.
It’s a difficult place to be in, which is why we shun those relationships from the get-go. Nobody wants to be in that situation, and there are enough people in the world to have sex with that we can afford to say “not anyone who specifically had a hand in influencing what your developing brain considered ’normal.’”
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 4 hours ago
It’s a sensitive topic, and I’m not the most sensitive person, but I’m not out to be a troll. Rights to personal autonomy, and consent, and privacy are at the crux of it. But also people hurt other people and it’s good to look out for that and to help each other to prevent that. Just don’t be a dick, I guess. Don’t dictate feelings to a rational adult.