This isn’t about standing up for a dictator or not, this is about a few questions. Trump just suggested the following answers.
If a country doesn’t like the leader of another country and how they ruin it, can they intervene? YES.
Does a leader need any sort of approval before they intervene? NO.
What sort of intervention can they do? BOMBING AND KIDNAPPING ARE JUST FINE TO FORCE REGIME CHANGE.
This implications of this internally are big enough within the US, but internationally we are setting precedent for these same answers to be used against any country at any time. What would be different about Russia or China doing the same to any country they disprove of? What’s to stop them from using it as a flimsy excuse for imperialism?
Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
This is not the way to stand up to authoritarianship. Australia has to keep out of this, even thoough it is damaging to do so, it undoubtedly is. There is no clean slate here for Aus. Unless all of south america stand up against US, there is nothing we can do.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
I mean it looks like an entirely self contained war between the US and Venezuela that has nothing to do with us but Frog has put:
Fuck that, they can invade all the way as far as I’m concerned, you want find me standing up for
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolás_Maduro#Human_rights
He is an absolutely vile evil human being, I’ll leave it to you humanitarians to stand up for him
MisterFrog@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
I’m not defending the Venezuelan government.
But this 100% a US imperialist war for natural resources. This is their bread and butter.
If this was actually about intervention into Venezuela in a benevolent way, it would have been brought in front of the UN, or at the very, very least NATO. Or something. Anything.
Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with toppling a dictatorship, and everything to do with oil. Again.
It’s an open secret.
We’re going to protest to tell our government to stay the fuck out of it and condemn the US’s unilateral actions.
There is no “rules based order”, only might makes right.
This and the Venezuelan government being a dictatorship are not mutually exclusive.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
Yes you are, you just apparently don’t seem to realise it
ok straight to conspiracy theories, cool
I’ve had enough left wing conspiracy theories for one day so I’m out
Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
You really need to learn how international norms and laws have helped protect Australia. The problem here isn’t getting rid of a dictator, the problem here is the precedent this sets. The US just made every one of their allies much less safe in this world, at a time when they’re pulling back from their commitments as allies.
Question you have to ask yourself now,
What stops China from coming and lopping off the Pilbara? The only thing now is raw power, of which, we only have a little. So is the US going to come to support Aus, can we still count on them? If you look at their behaviour around Ukraine, it seems their ‘friendship’ is pretty bloody fragile these days.
What about Taiwan now? Or some of the Japanese islands? How do you think those putative allies are feeling about this?
You want to set a precedent of our times? This just did.
Look at my comment history from yesterday, i wrote a long comment response that goes into the new geopolitical threat this country and the world now faces.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
Venezuela was not a nice place and definitely not one of the good guys
Our alliances and defence capabilities, that’s how it is, that’s how it has always been
that’s the primary reason we’re spending billions on AUKUS and coincidentally Japan wants in as well
japantimes.co.jp/…/japan-role-in-us-uk-australia-…
same with Taiwan, they have the:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_shield
Which they’ve been building for decades
It’s why for years we have been the US’s lapdog going into wars we never would have because we rely on them for protection
It’s why we have spent trillions over the previous decades on defence
This is why when I see things like
m.youtube.com/watch?v=m2GH5A1XDCA
i facepalm, you can’t fend off an invasion with twitter posts
it’s why i want a much much stronger alliance with europe, its why i want a far stronger alliance with ukraine, its why i want us to have drone factories making millions of drones and having the spare capacity to send them to ukraine
This idea of rules based order hasn’t been true for a long time, if ever, there was like most of the 20th century a unique set of circumstances as china was in its century of humiliation
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation
and the united states is not nearly as bad as any of the nutter states iran/most of africa/most of middle east if they had the same technological capacity and capability and the UN got to pretend it had power
nothing has changed overall from what i can see in terms of might makes right, just who america is targeting and the fact china is returning to its previous former glory as the worlds super power