Comment on Explosions heard, low-flying aircraft seen over Venezuela's capital

• guismo@aussie.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Just ignore the far right but jobs here.

  Where did you hear about that? Is there a link? I never see any info on planned protests on Lemmy, which is a shame. Is this usually Facebook?

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  • MisterFrog@aussie.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The image in question I yoinked from here (not part of this group): …org.au/…/emergency-actions-hands-venezuela-stop-…

    I just found out about this via word of mouth (well, via chat groups).

    This came about very last minute, I don’t think any one group in particular organised this.

    aussie.zone does not seem to be somewhere for organising (communities need to be approved by the admin). Though haven’t actually tried to make a “activism”/“events” community, so it may well be approved.

    Else, I’ve just had a bit of a search on quokk.au:

    quokk.au/c/events

    Perhaps I’ll encourage people to post there.

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    • guismo@aussie.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Thanks for the links. There’s nothing where I live, but I expected. I’ll keep an eye on quokk.au, although I think that’s basically just one guy.

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• Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  standing up for a dictator? what the hell have they put in your drugs

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  • Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This is not the way to stand up to authoritarianship. Australia has to keep out of this, even thoough it is damaging to do so, it undoubtedly is. There is no clean slate here for Aus. Unless all of south america stand up against US, there is nothing we can do.

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    • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Australia has to keep out of this

      I mean it looks like an entirely self contained war between the US and Venezuela that has nothing to do with us but Frog has put:

      Let the PM and the cabinet know we won’t accept another US imperialist invasion.

      Fuck that, they can invade all the way as far as I’m concerned, you want find me standing up for

      The Board alleged that Maduro administration could be responsible thousands of extra-judicial killings, more than 12,000 cases of arbitrary detentions, more than 290 cases of torture, attacks against the judiciary and a humanitarian crisis affecting hundreds of thousands of people.[264]

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolás_Maduro#Human_rights

      He is an absolutely vile evil human being, I’ll leave it to you humanitarians to stand up for him

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      • MisterFrog@aussie.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I’m not defending the Venezuelan government.

        But this 100% a US imperialist war for natural resources. This is their bread and butter.

        If this was actually about intervention into Venezuela in a benevolent way, it would have been brought in front of the UN, or at the very, very least NATO. Or something. Anything.

        Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with toppling a dictatorship, and everything to do with oil. Again.

        It’s an open secret.

        We’re going to protest to tell our government to stay the fuck out of it and condemn the US’s unilateral actions.

        There is no “rules based order”, only might makes right.

        This and the Venezuelan government being a dictatorship are not mutually exclusive.

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      • Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You really need to learn how international norms and laws have helped protect Australia. The problem here isn’t getting rid of a dictator, the problem here is the precedent this sets. The US just made every one of their allies much less safe in this world, at a time when they’re pulling back from their commitments as allies.

        Question you have to ask yourself now,

        What stops China from coming and lopping off the Pilbara? The only thing now is raw power, of which, we only have a little. So is the US going to come to support Aus, can we still count on them? If you look at their behaviour around Ukraine, it seems their ‘friendship’ is pretty bloody fragile these days.

        What about Taiwan now? Or some of the Japanese islands? How do you think those putative allies are feeling about this?

        You want to set a precedent of our times? This just did.

        Look at my comment history from yesterday, i wrote a long comment response that goes into the new geopolitical threat this country and the world now faces.

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  • mrcleanup@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This isn’t about standing up for a dictator or not, this is about a few questions. Trump just suggested the following answers.

    If a country doesn’t like the leader of another country and how they ruin it, can they intervene? YES.

    Does a leader need any sort of approval before they intervene? NO.

    What sort of intervention can they do? BOMBING AND KIDNAPPING ARE JUST FINE TO FORCE REGIME CHANGE.

    This implications of this internally are big enough within the US, but internationally we are setting precedent for these same answers to be used against any country at any time. What would be different about Russia or China doing the same to any country they disprove of? What’s to stop them from using it as a flimsy excuse for imperialism?

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