Comment on Anon tries to understand credit scores

• damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If you’ve never fallen behind, or it’s been over 5 years since you paid off your delinquent debts, there’s no record.

  It’s kind of similar in the US, negative things are gone 7 years later, regardless of whether they were resolved.

  The country is Estonia. Mortgage delinquency rates are 0.17% over 60 days late as of last year. Home ownership rate is about 80% and a lot of those are mortgaged.

  I’m seeing about 20% of homeowners having mortgages in Estonia, I wouldn’t call 1 in 5 a lot. It’s more like 60% in the US.

  Also reading up on this, it looks like some post Soviet-era policies gave a lot of people the ability to buy their homes outright for a fraction of the cost in the 90s, so it seems a lot of what you’re saying is the result of inertia from that. From what I read, it also seems Estonians are more likely than Americans to ‘live within their means’ as well, being much more averse in general to going into debt. That’s definitely going to contribute to that low delinquency rate.

  There are good reasons to avoid delinquency. The bailiffs can get your bank accounts even in other EU countries arrested if you keep refusing to pay. Also the debt registry system is fairly effective. You won’t be getting any major credit for at least 5 years once you’re in on it.

  This all sounds pretty similar to how it is in the US.

  Banks are also willing to work with people on alternative payment schedules if they get in trouble. I’d wager that saves everyone involved some money and time too.

  This is also true in the US.

  Overall, from what I’m seeing, I don’t think any of the significant differences you’ve mentioned between Estonia and the US can be chalked up to how our credit score system works versus how it is there—you honestly describe a very similar system, and there are much more obvious reasons for the differences that I saw in the bit of research I did.

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  • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The major difference is that you don’t need to be building credit history to own a home. How do you get a mortgage in the US if you’ve never had ANY credit before?

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    • damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      How do you get a mortgage in the US if you’ve never had ANY credit before?

      You could have googled this in less time than it took you to ask the question.

      experian.com/…/can-you-get-a-mortgage-with-no-cre…

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      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        To take part in manual underwriting, you’ll need to provide the following information:

        • History of regular housing and other payments to creditors, such as cellphone providers, utility companies and landlords
        • Bank account statements to demonstrate cash savings
        • Two years’ worth of tax returns
        • Proof of employment, such as a verification letter from your employer, that applies to the previous two years
        • Prior 30 days’ worth of pay stubs
        • Verification of self-employment income, such as tax and other financial documentation
        • Financial and credit information for a cosigner with good credit, if you have one, which could help strengthen your application

        That sounds hella invasive. The banks get nowhere near as much info here unless you use a bank you already have an account in, in which case they have access to that account’s information. Otherwise standard is 6 months of data.

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