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pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 17 hours agoIf you compare a 2 year old and a really smart dog, they’re about the same in their reasoning skills. So yeah, I’ve had arguments with 2 year olds and dogs.
Again, you’re saying you personally haven’t had those experiences, so you might be an outlier.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 hours ago
Your first statement is entirely unrelated to the discussion at hand, so I dont even really know why you said it.
I’m saying I’ve never even heard of it. I would love to see a qualitative analysis of ‘arguments’ with dogs. I have never seen any evidence whatsoever that anything even approaching actual language comprehension is happening. Understanding some words and sentences is not the same thing as language comprehension. Do they understand the meaning of the terms? Can they infer new things if terms have been rearranged? Do they understand the structure of language? No. They definitely cannot. They are capable of pattern matching human vocalizations though, especially as they relate to themselves and things in their immediate environment. Thats not the same thing as language. I’m very sorry if you do not understand the nuance between those 2 things, or if you genuinely believe any of your pets could speak English. Theres nothing I or anyone else can say to convince you otherwise if youve already decided that your subjective emotional experience with your animals leads you to believe they have English language speaking skills.
Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 4 minutes ago
When I crate my dog she will sometimes run away and hide. Her position is that she doesn’t want to go in the crate and my position is that I want her to go in the crate. Other times she agrees and just goes in the crate. This is an example of what an argument with a dog can look like.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
I really hope you’re not a working scientist.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
Cool. This isnt a response to anything I said, and you have offered nothing to prove your claim that dogs can speak English lmao.
You are the exact kind of person for whom the ape torture experiments were made to begin with. Someone entirely uninterested in what can be observed and proven. Someone with a delusional anthropomorphic view of what animals are. Blind to your own biases and convinced by the subjective emotional experiences you have projected onto your pets.
No, I’m sorry but “believe me its totally true, everyone knows dogs can speak english” is not a legitimate argument nor a response to what I’ve been saying.