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• dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not arguing here. But just want to point out that disability subculture usually arises as a survival response in the face of discrimination and segregation. Everyone has a need for community and a sense of belonging. When broad hegemonic culture rejects you and your presence, belonging is found in the one distinctive feature that it the cause for the rejection. See also gay subculture as a response to homophobia, US black culture as a response to racism, feminist sorority subculture in response to misogyny, etc. So it is not rare to see disability subculture as a response to ableism.

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  • MotoAsh@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Support community? Great. Using it as an excuse or identity like many autistic people do? Cringe.

    You don’t see black people going around talking jive, and then going, “oh sorry, you see I’m black” when they catch a confused look…

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  • Nitrate55@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    None of that changes the fact that lobbying against curing a child’s deafness/blindness when it can be cured is fucked up.

    Interesting how you chose to just not engage with that point.

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    • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I told you, I’m not arguing. I actually agree on that point.

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• FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We wouldn’t need a subculture if we weren’t oppressed and excluded from normal culture.

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• stray@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Obviously autism can vary between people, but it’s not something that’s wrong with me, and I wouldn’t want to cure it. I’m different than what’s widely considered normal, but in a way that I think is fine. It’s like having red hair or being transgender.

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  • MotoAsh@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    High functioning autism is a fine character trait to identify with. Though I seriously doubt someone who’s basically mute takes pride in their autism.

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    • Tonava@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Autism still isn’t a disease though, you can’t “cure” it, it’s something we are. Even with the most disabled we should start with accepting them and offering the help they need, not just immediately label them as defected and try to erase who they are. Sure, let’s figure out ways to lessen the worst symptoms, but how about if we’d just stop discriminating first and see where that leads

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      • MotoAsh@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Nowhere did I ever defend discrimination. I merely said some people do not have a form they’d likely be proud of.

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    • stray@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nonverbal people are free to make up their own mind how they feel about it, but calling it “cringe” when people choose to come together over a shared identity and experience is extremely insulting.

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      • MotoAsh@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Nowhere did I ever call making a community cringe.

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• SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Quick question, are you disabled yourself?

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• MotoAsh@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’d say subculture is fine. A subculture doesn’t have to be bad or annoying. Identifying with autism is also totally fine. Recognizing kinship isn’t bad.

  Where it goes wrong is using it as an identity outright. “Sorry, I’m autistic” is just fucking more annoying after someone does something annoyingly autistic. Being autistic doesn’t mean you literally cannot learn good social behavior.

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