Comment on Capitalism isn't the problem, THIS is the problem, and I've watched it roll over us for 40 years. [3 min. video]

IndieGoblin@lemmy.4d2.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• cmhe@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Destinction without difference. Government and economic culture is part of the economic system.

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  • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Any system, in which the denizens of that system exhibit greed and selfishness, is likely going to produce similar problems. I really don’t think people are accurate about the feeling that “Obtaining and hoarding valuable things” is an act borne out of the laws of our current society.

    I really don’t think it’s just “economic culture” as you’ve described.

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    • cmhe@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I really don’t think it’s just “economic culture” as you’ve described.

      I didn’t say it is just economic culture that is the issue here…

      I really don’t think people are accurate about the feeling that “Obtaining and hoarding valuable things” is an act borne out of the laws of our current society.

      Also true, but what is? Is your point that it is human nature? I would disagree there, humans have the capacity of acting against greed and selfishness. Question is why they are so often acting greedy and selfish then?

      My answer would be two options with both apply to some degree, and there might be more:

      1. Resources are scarce and distributed non equally. So hoarding gives power over others
      2. The system incentivizes greedy behavior, by it’s structure and rules. Either by actively, by giving greedy people direct rewards, or passively by not punishing greedy behavior.

      Other ideas?

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      • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The point being, it’s pretty specifically American culture. Disregard politics, and only obsess over it when enraged about an issue. Hate on anything that might benefit people you don’t know.

        There are millions of humans on this planet to which those behaviors are bafflingly mad. Many of those places essentially operate under capitalist structure, with rules and safeguards in place to ensure government stays responsible for basic safety and competition remains fair. The battle to keep that structure stable is constant, but gets easier when people at all levels care about it.

        Basically, I couldn’t claim capitalism is perfect, but whether replacing the system or not, you need to address the greedy human culture beneath it.

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      • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        system incentivizes greedy behavior

        Got one that doesn’t? And I don’t mean communism in small tribes. I need something to rule 10’s of millions.

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• WraithGear@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  these things are linked you know? the failure of one shows the failure of the others

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  • IndieGoblin@lemmy.4d2.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    No. The same government in any other economic system would produce similarly worse outcomes. We can see its not related to the economic system by looking around the world at all the capitalist economies without these issues.

    America has these monopolies because they intentional chose to ignore the law and not break them up. The culture of the people in government was and still is rotten.

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    • WraithGear@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Its a failure of government and a failure of culture not a result of the economic system.

      if the system does not account for its government, or its culture, then the system is wrong, and will fail.

      you can not expect success from a system that fails when up against human nature, its literal purpose is to interface with humans.

      that being said, no system lasts forever and should be considered only as useful as the how effective freedoms are and the length of time it can be maintained

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