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thefartographer@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I know that quote sounds great like that, except it’s an out of context (and is actually “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy”) clip from a speech given by a Danish politician. He was proposing a world in which everyone shares through services that loan the items in your house that you’re not using and then services them for free. It was an idea to help cut down on waste.

Why would you not be using things in your house? Because in this imagined future, everything will essentially be done for you and you don’t need things like stovetops all the time.

The only irony of “you’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy” is that an indictment of runaway capitalism is now used to describe runaway capitalism.

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Rin@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Thank you for your insight. This is the first time I’ve heard of this.

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EatATaco@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Slightly unimportant, but he is actually a she.

More importantly, she offered it up as a thought experiment about the way things are going. She proposed it as neither a good nor bad thing, even in the story saying there were some people who rejected it outright, nor a solution to anything. She was just imagining a world where this type of thing occurred.

The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain an idea without accepting it. People are so thoughtless now that you can’t even think about something without being accused of espousing it.

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- KevonLooney@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That’s because posts are not just thoughts in your head. You are selecting the particular thought you want to publish on here. You are promoting it.
  
  Very few people are “just saying” or “just asking questions”. Usually those are just rhetorical devices for introducing unpopular ideas that would be rejected otherwise.
  
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  - EatATaco@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    You are promoting it.
    
    Sure, of course, it’s an idea you want to talk about. This isn’t the same as saying you think whatever you want to talk about has to go one way or another. Even in the thought experiment itself, there were people who dissent, although they don’t play a prominent role in the story at all.
    
    And also let’s keep in mind that this was some blog post by an individual contributor, not some official statement by the wef.
    
    But I present my ideas with an open mind all the time. I’m rarely sold on my first thought, I’ll float the idea, and often will outright dismiss it quickly. The idea that if I promote an idea I want to talk about, even if I’m giving what my initial desire is for it, means I’m sold on that position, seems very foreign to me. It seems so crippling… Like how do you collaborate on anything if any idea you put forward is treated as the be all end all?
    
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