Comment on Rush hour traffic in Utrecht, Netherlands

witty_username@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Cyclists are the worst where I live, they have zero respect for pedestrians. The city spent millions on bike lanes and these fucks will zip past you and your toddlers on the sidewalk, they never wear helmets, they don’t know any road laws, anyways this would be a nightmare in my city

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  • klay1@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    this is exactly anti-bicylce-propaganda. There are by far more deadly accidents involving cars and trucks than involving bikes and pedestrians. You are afraid of the wrong thing. Also you are describing the results of car focused infrastructure, that hasn’t been effectively planned for cyclists nor pedestrians. The dutch people are not much different than you or me, they just made the infrastructure right and assimilated it over the years. The close calls you are describing look harmless in the video, when you realize that even if there were an accident, not much would happen. But we still get many car-related deaths. Do you see what i mean?

    Which city are you in and what does the car infrastructure look like in the street you are describing?

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    • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Telling people that their personal experiences are propaganda is the fastest way to make them hate your cause even more

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      • klay1@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Some people put those fears into your head to create a divide between us. They want you to see close calls with cyclists and be mad about it. So that you don’t see this: Image

        If you hate my cause because i called out that your feelings are fueled by propaganda, the die was loaded from the start. Propaganda uses hate. I bet you are not telling me the city you are describing because it is a car infested hell with one ineffective bike lane.

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  • Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Vehicular Cyclists, or Middle-Aged Men In Lycra, or MAMILs, will set that standard.

    These aren’t MAMILs. These are people who just want to use the most convenient way of getting around in a place where cycling is considered a valid answer to that question.

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    • klay1@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      there will always be bad and good examples in all the groups. You can’t blame an entire group. I know a couple of MAMILs and they are all very careful, friendly riders.

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      • Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        • Anecdotal evidence is merely evidence of an anecdote.
        • Just because those people are decent (or maybe seem decent when they’re around you) does not mean that assholes do not exist.
        • The point still stands that MAMILs cycle in spite of infrastructure, not thanks to. This is not the case in the vid, but probably is the case for the above commenter.

        Would you be comfortable sharing the lane with things that outweigh and outrun you by two orders of magnitude, where a forgettable bump for them would probably be your death, and where at best there’s a chance they might not notice or see you in a decent frame of time, at worst they’ll actively try to hurt you. I’d hate to cycle in such an environment.

        Vehicular Cycling is the Dark Souls of cycling. Dutch cycling, or Practical Cycling as I’d prefer to call it, is more the Animal Crossing of cycling.

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