Comment on Dude read the rules of woman only community and decided to post anyway

• protist@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Literally nothing is stopping you from creating a community for men with a rule that only men participate. The difference is that in the community you’re thinking about though, women wouldn’t be constantly trying to mess with it. There are hundreds of communities to choose from. You’re not entitled to participate in them all.

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  • victorz@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The major point isn’t whether or not it’s possible to create it. The major point was that it would be considered sexist, I imagine. Or at the very least a little cringe.

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• Rooskie91@discuss.online ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The mens club you’re talking about DOES exist though. Since men are not a marginalized minority, that club is just called society.

  Your logic mirrors asking, ‘Why not create a whites-only club?’ Technically, you could, but people would rightly view it negatively because white people, as a group, are not marginalized. Exclusive spaces for minorities exist to provide relief from the discrimination or bias they routinely encounter. For groups that do not face those barriers, everyday society already functions as their ‘exclusive space,’ which makes it difficult for non-minorities to understand why others might need a separate environment.

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  • protist@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We’re talking about Lemmy communities here. Having a men’s-only space to discuss men’s issues is totally fine

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    • Rooskie91@discuss.online ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I didn’t place them in the oppressor group, I said they weren’t oppressed.

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      • protist@mander.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Ok, let’s walk through the implication.

        -Women are oppressed.

        -Men are not oppressed.

        Who again are you saying is doing the oppressing? You’re blind to the fact that most men are also oppressed, and pretending that men can just go out in society and be safe being vulnerable is willfully ignorant

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  • victorz@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Society doesn’t allow women? And openly scolds them for participating? I dunno. It’s “similar”? I guess? Anyway, the other person makes a lot of the points I would make too so I’ll let y’all hash that out amongst yourselves.

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• BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I know I’m sending mixed signals, but those things are not equivalent. All of modern society is patriarchal and women face exclusion from spaces their entire lives because of their sex or gender. Things have improved slightly over the decades but this kind of misogyny is still a global pandemic. When men are called privileged this is why. That ignorance is a privilege. Lucky you, that you haven’t experienced this constantly for your entire life. Want to create a “Men’s Club” community? We’ve all been living in it our entire lives. Nothing new to see there.

  I still feel dirty thinking about the womensstuff community, though. The first time I stumbled in there I had no idea where I was and someone said “As a man…” and then asked a question, and they were told to be quiet. Women experience that constantly, and it’s worse for girls. So much worse. Especially if you are the chatty type of autistic that I am. Having experienced it, I would never subject others to that. I felt that interaction viscerally and immediately blocked the community. I understand wanting to have a safe space, and I do have those with certain private groups, but seeing that behavior was awful. Even queer spaces are welcoming to allies, and I feel inclusion of allies in all social matters is critical for progress to happen.

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• MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  /c/dull_mens_club@lemmy.world

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  • IcedRaktajino@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    FWIW that community is just one of something that already exists outside of social media. The community owner kept !dull_mens_club@lemmy.world up since it’s pretty active, but the new official one for dull stuff is !Dullsters@dullsters.net . They explicitly wanted it to be more inclusive (not that DMC was only restricted to men posting).

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  • salvaria@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The official Dull Men’s Club website encourages women to participate as well, so I don’t think it should be considered as a men-only community:

    Though it started with men, women now belong too.

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    • fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If 99.9999% of users are men, it’s effectively a place where men can express themselves without the fear that some women will flood the comments.

      That’s what women want with their women only spaces. And while that man wasn’t being that rude, until women feel more comfortable let them have their bubbles.

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      • salvaria@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        If 99.9999% of users are men, it’s effectively a place where men can express themselves without the fear that some women will flood the comments.

        The point of the community is to share the dull things you’ve accomplished, not to go there and talk about stuff with the expectation that only men will respond. I was trying to tell that commenter that, despite the name, it’s not trying to be a man-only space, and people hopefully should not react to or expect the community to be as such. I just wanted to clarify since I think the comm is cool.
        I think there’s another similar community called “dullsters” if anyone objects to the name itself.

        That’s what women want with their women only spaces. And while that man wasn’t being that rude, until women feel more comfortable let them have their bubbles.

        I agree with you.

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      • paultimate14@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s quite an “if” that you’re starting with.

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• MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Hey, go for it! If c/men4slib became men-only, I’d support them! There are some communities where women wouldn’t have anything to contribute, and that’s okay and wouldn’t be sexist.

  But just don’t go full 4chan with a men-only community and I’d say that’s fine.

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• Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It exists. Or did. Menslib over on that other platform.

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