Comment on NHS staff who visit patients at home say St George’s flags can mean ‘no-go zones’
moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 22 hours agoIt depends on the context doesn’t it. Lots of people will fly the England flag or wear an England shirt during a football tournament, and all they mean by that is “I support the England team” without a further political meaning. But the meaning of the current flag-flying from lamp posts seems to essentially be “we don’t want immigrants in the UK” which can make the flags intimidating (which is probably the exact intention).
Here’s another example of context changing meaning. Churchill used to give a two-fingered salute (see picture below), and his intended meaning of that salute was that it was a “V” for “victory” in WW2. But of course these days, that same outwards two-fingered salute means “fuck off”. Context changes the meaning.
Is it about immigrants in general though or the people trying to game the system by pretending to be refugees, entering via the english channel.
Churchill’s “V for Victory” was flipping the germans off.
I’ve been to England a few times and saw people and buildings flying St George’s cross before this crisis, also had seen it used online in emoji form in bios, etc.
Very few people are gaming the system, but the ones that are won’t be caught because asylum seekers aren’t having their claims processed.
If this was your genuinely held concern you should be pushing for the government to allocate the resources to properly vet asylum claims and get all of these people processed appropriately.
I suspect you wouldn’t like that solution though because in the end it will likely remove less than a percent or two of asylum seekers
Very few people are gaming the system
I suspect you wouldn’t like that solution though because in the end it will likely remove less than a percent or two of asylum seekers
Gov.UK says it is 50%, or 55,700 people.
39% (43,600) of asylum seekers arrived on a small boat and a further 11% (12,100) entered through other irregular routes (on lorries, shipping containers, or without relevant documentation)
55,700 people with no regard for the law or nation entering during 2025 alone is deeply troubling.
Neither of the things you just said prevent someone from seeing asylum. It’s the UK government that has no regard for the law, they have a duty to process these claims as signatories of the UN convention on the rights of refugees.
Hey, you’re that same bozo who was trying to tell me he didn’t know 14 88 was a dog whistle earlier, I wonder if your opinions on this are fact based and well researched…
The UK government can not like these people as much as it wants, it doesn’t make their asylum claims illegal
waz@feddit.uk 20 hours ago
The outward facing V of two-fingers meaning offence predates Churchill by a few centuries.
moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 17 hours ago
Fair enough, but according to a couple of sites that Wikipedia refers to, Churchill originally didn’t know that the outward facing gesture was rude until he was told about it. If true then I guess his gesture was intended to mean “here is a V for victory” instead of “fuck off you lot” or “fuck the Germans”.