every christian believes they live by the bible, which they fortunately don’t, actually
also faith is supported by the existence of the “perfect”, god-inspired text, of we can show it is neither, we shake the foundations that religion relies on
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turdcollector69@lemmy.world 6 hours agoI’m a strong atheist but I really hate when people cherry pick bible verses to support an argument either for or against.
It’s stupid when Christians do it and it’s stupid when we do it.
It’s not even that it’s a bad argument technique, which it is, it’s something exclusively done in bad faith to attempt to dunk on someone who isn’t going to interpret it that way anyway.
By the time people are pulling out Bible verses the entire exchange has turned into a dick measuring contest from which nothing will be gained.
rapchee@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
turdcollector69@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
“if we can show it is neither”
Not to be a dick but you fundamentally don’t understand religious people because ignoring what’s obviously in front of you is the core “faith” these people talk endlessly about.
You can’t logically disprove religion because it’s not a logical phenomenon.
You’re arguing with someone’s personal interpretation of the Bible when you argue the Bible with religious people, they have no objectivity to leverage.
That’s why I really don’t like using Bible quotes, it’s just indulging in delusion to attempt to disprove delusion.
rapchee@lemmy.world 10 minutes ago
I’m not saying it will work on everyone, but the fewer “supporting” arguments people have, the more questions they will not be able to reflexively dismiss
and i’m basing this on myself, i used to be fairly religious, although i was on a “we don’t know what god really is, and the bible is not fully literal” level, so i didn’t have a problem with texts like this
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
It’s not a bad argument technique to pull out the actual primary document and examine it. You can take small portions of a document in a fair minded fashion and examine it without deliberately being misleading or taking it out of context.
turdcollector69@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
“You can take small portions of a document in a fair minded fashion and examine it without deliberately being misleading or taking it out of context.”
This is literally what’s happening here though, there’s a whole ass comment explaining this quote I’d out of context that I responded to originally.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
The explanation is bubkis historical re-imagining like when the media sane washes the babble that comes out of Trump’s mouth. He’ll spend 15 minutes babbling about how he thinks magnets work and they report hurr durr somewhere in there he said lower taxes.
turdcollector69@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Ok even if that explanation is bubkis it’s still to my point that using Bible quotes goes nowhere because you’re using the root delusion to attempt to disprove their personal delusions.
You’d be better off quoting Harry potter or anything else that they haven’t already decided the meaning of or integrated into their personality.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
You aren’t bring fair minded about it or examining it in context.