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Fredselfish@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

No one in the replies will tell you the truth so here it is. IF HE WAS POOR IN BE PRISON NOW!

All the nonsense about judges busy etc maybe true but we have a Two teir justice system. Those with money can drag on court Cases even criminal ones for years ( look at Trump)

But be a minority or poor and watch just how fast the halls of justice can be.

So even though most of the replies are correct, they are only correct because the defendant got money.

You and I and no one in these comments would have to wait to be sentence if we were found guilty. Hell might be sentence same fucking day.

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squiblet@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
He’s in jail awaiting sentencing, though.

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SolOrion@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I agree that we have a two tiered justice system.

I don’t really agree that this is an example of that.

A: homie isn’t walking free. He’s in prison waiting to hear exactly how long he’ll be in prison.

B: The thing with poor people getting gaps between verdict and sentencing is only a thing because of the scale of crimes involved. Someone rich is going to need to commit way more significant crimes that will require more in depth consideration for the punishment.

If a rich person commits a minor crime they’ll almost certainly manage to get off. A poor person is almost certainly going to get a verdict and an immediate sentencing.

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s38b35M5@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
While I agree with your premise regarding the dual justice systems depending on class, in this case, the guilty party is in jail here he belongs (but likely not unrelated to the fact that he stole from richer people with more power).

Bankman-Fried had been under house arrest, but prosecutors convinced Judge Lewis A. Kaplan of the Federal District Court in Manhattan that Bankman-Fried had fed documents to the media in order to intimidate a witness in the case. Now Bankman-Fried has to prepare his defense to seven criminal charges from jail.

arstechnica.com/…/sam-bankman-fried-is-going-to-j…

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JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Are the two tiers corresponding to public defenders and private lawyers for defendants?

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- snooggums@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes, but actually no. The regular people generally have charges that are kind of straightforward with easy to understand facts. At least, that is all that is allowed in court and generally there is one or two chances to make certain objections because they don't have time to nitpick tiny details either because the lawyer just doesn't have enough hours in the day or there isn't enough involved to have a lot of objections. Normal people can't afford lawyers who have 30 paralegals looking for needles in haystacks.
  
  The rich have more expensive lawyers who have more resources and employees who can come up with reasons to drag out the process. Then, if the crime is financial, there is an absolute ton of paperwork and that takes a lot of time and people power to sort through. Things like aligning dates and who knew what when takes a long time. Whether this is worth the time or not (it generally isn't) the court system does allow for a lot of time because those kinds of crime aren't usually putting people in danger of physical harm if it takes time to prosecute so they default to allow more flexibility for delay after delay. Compound that with so many people finding so many reasons to drag it out means the more money you have the slower the court system works, and that is in your favor.
  
  Most court systems are pay to win for the simple fact that the more money you have the more there is to bring up in court, and the more you can bring up the more likely you are to win. It isn't like prosecutors have unlimited funds.
  
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