Apparently they are not
Charlie Kirk wasn’t empathetic himself. Literally look at the posted quote by OP. He was not a tolerant person, but intolerant of others.
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iii@mander.xyz 13 hours agoare still feeling empathy for tolerant people outside their groups
Apparently they are not, as exemplified by celebration of violence here. They only do so when they identify with people as part of their in-group.
The fascist chose to break the peace treaty and so they are no longer protected by it.
Neither are the people celebrating here, according to this logic. See the issue?
Now tolerant people have to work together with people outside their groups
Exactly, they should! What they’re doing instead is using violence on people outside their in-group.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
iii@mander.xyz 9 hours ago
Can we not take pleasure in knowing vile, evil people have perished and can no longer spread their destructive ideals that will lead to pain and suffering of others?
In doing so, you’re spreading vile evil ideals that lead to pain and suffering of others.
The message that it’s fair game to murser and hurt people, as long as you view them as “other”.
The test is empathy, man.
Exactly!
Charlie actively advocated against that
Pot, meet kettle
JaymesRS@piefed.world 7 hours ago
Imagine a scene where 2 new people come to your house for a party made up of people from many backgrounds, one is kind and the other is hateful and verbally abuses and bullies the one who is kind for something they have no choice over such that they leave your house. Then seeing this one of the other party members kicks the bully out of the house for them being massively rude. Now being massively rude and dehumanizing to others is an active choice one makes, that’s not a outgroup that one is in through any choice but their own. The party is still welcoming of all who preserve the welcoming environment of the party.
You’re arguing that the rest of the party should feel bad that the asshole was kicked out.
iii@mander.xyz 6 hours ago
Now being massively rude and dehumanizing to others is an active choice one makes, that’s not a outgroup that one is in through any choice but their own.
Unfortunately, this perspective often misses a crucial truth. Most abusers have a history of being abused themselves (1). They are trapped in a relentless cycle of anger, rejection, and pain, struggling to escape a reality where kindness feels foreign and unrecognizable. Breaking this cycle is profoundly challenging, as it demands consistent empathy and kindness from others—qualities they initially perceive as weaknesses. This is the very lesson they absorbed in their formative years. They see their worldview validated as angry mobs of self-proclaimed “good guys” celebrate intentional agitation, hurt, and violence.
You’re arguing that the rest of the party should feel bad for the asshole that was kicked out.
Exactly! Vilify behaviour instead of people. Try to protect your friend that’s being bullied by supporting his behaviour. Recognize that everyone can be hurt or wronged, as well as can hurt and do wrong.
In other words: be empathic.
ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 hours ago
The fascists are trying to kill people. In response your argument proposes what is best described as a kind of Stockholm syndrome. But instead of a empathy for captures your argument would have victims have empathy for their murderers. Like some kind of extreme form of rape culture. It’s disgusting in my opinion.
Those tolerant people are feeling empathy for each other regardless of their group. They are even expressing empathy for Charlie Kirk’s children. So they are following the social contract where as the fascists are not.
Those who break the peace treaty are not protected by it. The fascists broke the peace treaty so the fascists are not protected by it.
The users in this thread are still tolerant of each other, regardless of group. So the empathy they feel towards each other is for tolerant people of different groups.
Fascists want to kill out groups. Fascists are practicing parochial empathy if even that. Your argument seems to have no grasp of what empathy is or how to practice it in a healthy or useful way so it is not compelling.