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Warl0k3@lemmy.world 13 hours agoYou seem to have a preconceived idea of what ‘mansplaining’ is and, in an effort to examine that, could you tell me why you think the term has achieved such widespread cultural use?
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Warl0k3@lemmy.world 13 hours agoYou seem to have a preconceived idea of what ‘mansplaining’ is and, in an effort to examine that, could you tell me why you think the term has achieved such widespread cultural use?
ronigami@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Why widespread? Well because it’s “punching up” and catchy and plays in to the traditional feminist narrative that women are oppressed in $WESTERN_COUNTRY particular in science even though women regularly outperform their male counterparts in terms of college grading and admissions. You’re basically asking why feminism is popular.
Wouldn’t it be natural that having existed as an idea for over 10 years I would have a preconceived notion of it?
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Aaaaaand… there it is. Careful, your incel is showing.
ronigami@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Are all your comments that low-effort?
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Just when dealing with incels
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
I’m circumspectly asking what you believe are the driving forces behind feminism’s popularity, absolutely. To carry your allusion, the first step in understanding any software is to check it’s dependencies; as natural languages just really messy formal languages, and by the transitive property of “I just made this up but it sounds good”, it holds that the first step to understanding someone’s statements is to examine the fundamental concepts they used to construct that statement.
To that end then, lets look at you holding some contempt for the idea of “punching up”. I doubt you intended that to be the takeaway, but it’s presented as the justification for an idea you have expressed strong disagreement to. If you held it was totally valid, there wouldn’t be much a conflict. So: why is it wrong to do in this case?
ronigami@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Why is it wrong to punch up? Because there being “up” requires an ordering of humans, so speaking in feminism terms that would be reinforcing the patriarchy, in regular terms people aren’t above or below each other, they’re all people. Punching up is still punching, is destructive and not constructive. Destruction isn’t becoming of anyone.
To draw a specific example, the fact Taylor Swift is a billionaire doesn’t mean it’s okay to treat her like a piece of shit and insult her to her face, make up mean names for her, etc.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Okay, I can work with this!
So to my eye, a lack of social hierarchy seems like a pretty ideal view of the world. How do you reconcile that outlook with the existence of things like governments or a legal system? Those would be what I consider an ordering of humans, and in that light it sounds like you’re saying “punching back” (as it were) against those social structures would be reinforcing those potentially oppressive structures (‘the patriarchy’) - have I got that right?
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 7 hours ago
I was defending you then but I can’t anymore. No, it’s not because feminism boosts it, it’s because radical or extreme feminism and misandry loves to abuse this word
Feminism is good, but generalizing men or accusing of sexism without evidence is dumb sexism
ronigami@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
It’s extremely unclear what you’re trying to say. When were you defending me?
Is extreme feminism not considered feminism in your mind?
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 6 hours ago
Just by upvoting, I meant
No. Feminism is wanting to reach equality and stop discrimination between sex/genders. Extreme feminism is wanting women superiority, or attacking men to improve women’s situation