Comment on what are the grievances with the "male loneliness epidemic"?

• Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  though a sizable amount of feminists instead characterize men as also victims of the patriarchy system

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  • DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I can’t say I’ve encountered that. I don’t doubt there are reasonable feminists out there but the ones I’ve encountered have been the “all men are trash” type.

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    • cabbage@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      In feminist scholarship it tends more towards the "we are all victims of patriarchy" stance. Most my friends are academics so they tend to lean the same direction, though not always.

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    • Nefara@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You might not be identifying reasonable feminists then, because the “men are trash” ones are more visible. You’re probably surrounded by feminists and encountering them all the time, but unless you’re asking them their stance about reproductive rights or equality in parental leave or something else in conversation you wouldn’t know it.

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    • exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      the “all men are trash” type.

      On the flip side, I have never encountered this, and would probably say that roughly 95% of the people I know and interact with are feminists.

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• cabbage@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It's worth emphasising that concerns about male mental health in large part comes from feminism. Feminism is not inherently man hating, and research of gender dynamics through the lense of feminism is what made it possible to observe how patriarchal structures in society harm not only women, but also men.

  It's kinda like how a marxist will tell you that even rich people are happier in egalitarian societies: Capitalism hurts everyone, including the ones seemingly profiting from it. In the same way, feminism gave way to the insight that patriarchy hurts everyone, including men.

  That said, you're not wrong that here is a (perhaps more popular rather than scholarly) feminist critique of male grievances. Feminism is a bunch of different things, and there's a bunch of contradictions between different understandings of feminism.

  Not too weird then that people end up hating the whole issue. Some feminists hate it because it's sympathising with the oppressor or whatever, while anti-feminists hate it because they see it as soft feminist bullshit or whatever. Having a nuanced opinion about anything this day is difficult.

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  • DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Very true. I realise I should have picked my wording better in my original post that was meant to be little more than a quick summary. When I said ‘feminist side’ I did not wish to refer to all feminists but specifically the new generation type otherwise known as the ‘feminazi’ or ‘those loud unempathetic bitches you see on Tiktok’.

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    • cabbage@piefed.social ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, I got what you meant - it's a word that takes on a billion different meanings. I just find it to be important to push back against the strawman whenever I see it, as I'm not gonna let a bunch of dumb kids raised by a social media algorithm ruin feminism for me. Get off my lawn etc.

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