Problem is, it won’t stop with 4chan.
Comment on 4chan will refuse to pay daily UK fines, its lawyer tells BBC
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
then ban 4chan in the uk.
Banzai51@midwest.social 1 month ago
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 month ago
I didn’t even think it was accessible? I tried accessing it donkeys ago and my ISP had it blocked. Maybe there was a parental control enabled or something. Who knows.
icelimit@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
How does one ban a website within a geographical border? Isn’t that censorship?
belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Ip blocking at state ran/sponsored networking level. But censorship is the point of the age verification law so that would be their end goal.
Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
The first part is a technical question and the second part a definition one.
For the how to: the most common approach is to simply blacklist their IPs on a provider basis. This leads to no provider that obeys your blacklists to allow their users traffic to that target. Usually all providers in a nation obey that nations law (I assume, I only know that for my own :D)
For the censorship: I don’t like that word because it’s implications fan be used against any and all laws. A shitload of content is made inaccessible because it breaks laws from active coordination of attacks to human trafficking. All of this can be described as censorship.
Forthe UK law it’s… I’m not British and to me it appears to be a vague tool to silence and control all types of content under the guise of protecting children. Not with the intention to protect or prevent something but with the intent to control. I would fully understand and emphasize with using the word censorship in this context.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Yes, it is censorship. The UK already has a blacklist of websites. rt.com is on there along with sputnik news and rossiyasegodnya.com/
HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 1 month ago
4chan has been all too eager to spread Russian propaganda for over a decade, and has been a festering sore on the internet even longer still. I wouldn't let the paradox of tolerance bind us to 4chan of all places. OP is right, nothing of value would be lost.
TehPers@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Banning 4chan for that reason would be valid if they had a law against that to enforce.
But in the same way you don’t go after someone for tax evasion in a country they’ve never been to or interacted with, you don’t fine 4chan because they won’t start collecting IDs from users when the company is not even in your jurisdiction.
Either way, I can’t imagine people there missing 4chan. They just need to give a valid reason to block it instead of BSing a fine.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 month ago
If 4chan breaks, they’ll all go elsewhere.
I think it’s best just to leave 4chan there so we don’t have to deal with them.
HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 1 month ago
I used to think that was a good idea too: sequester 4chan, make it the sin-eater of the internet at large.
But as we learned through 2014-2016, from Gamergate to the alt-right to MAGA, 4chan didn't need to break for them to go elsewhere. And not just elsewhere, but everywhere. A single 4channer could make multiple reddit accounts, twitter accounts, and fake facebook profiles. But what allowed their work to reach larger audiences was to use /pol/ to coordinate their brigades across the internet. 4chan's anonymity and lack of persistent logs made that easy. Russian state actors infiltrated their ranks as other anons. As obnxious trolls looking to get a rise out of people, they had huge blinds spots and failed to see this for what it was (or looked the other way). Once installed, they could launder propaganda by making it look like it was coming from seemingly American sources, all across the internet, all at the same time. The anons were Putin's useful idiots.
The argument of sequestering the social pariahs to 4chan implies they are physically locked up there, imprisoned but satisfied, uninterested in engaging the internet at large. But clearly that isn't true. You can't leave the Nazis in one corner of the bar - it becomes the Nazi bar. If you want to fight them, you have to remove them from the common spaces, and then remove their own spaces. Unfortunately, the cancer of fascism has metastasized all across the internet, now originating from people who have never heard of "this four chan." Fighting that is going to require us to stop falling for the paradox of tolerance and start kicking the Nazis out, whether we have laws to do so or not.