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cosmicrookie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• tal@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I guess he could think that it’s an unincorporated territory, like Puerto Rico. That’s a US territory, but unless it becomes a state or an incorporated territory, it’s not technically part of the United States, and it wouldn’t be up for grabs.

  On that note, looks like the Russian nationalist crowd is resolutely forging on:

  newsnationnow.com/…/russian-claims-alaska-trump-p…

  Russian TV hosts say Alaska belongs to them ahead of Trump-Putin summit

  (NewsNation) — Russian state television personalities have renewed claims that Alaska rightfully belongs to Russia as President Donald Trump is set to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Anchorage on Friday.

  During a recent broadcast of Russia-1’s “60 Minutes” program, propagandist Olga Skabeyeva referred to Alaska as “our Alaska” while discussing a joint Russian-Chinese military patrol that approached within 200 miles of the Alaskan coast, Newsweek reported.

  The comment came after State Duma Deputy Adalbi Shkhagoshev mentioned “our aircraft approached the borders of Alaska,” prompting Skabeyeva to incorrectly claim he had said “our Alaska.”

  I suppose it’s probably part of this:

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_payment_conspiracy

  The Alaska payment conspiracy (Russian: Аляскинский платежный заговор, romanized: Ali͡askinskiĭ platezhnyĭ zagovor), also known as the Orkney conspiracy (Russian: Оркни заговор), is a conspiracy theory that the Russian Empire never received payment for the Alaska purchase from the United States, and that instead the ship, the Orkney, that carried the payment in gold was detonated for insurance money by Alexander ‘Sandy’ Keith, a con artist and explosives expert.[1][2][3] This conspiracy theory has been debunked in several ways.[4]

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  • Fondots@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    it’s not technically part of the United States,

    I feel like this is a really bad way to think of Puerto Rico

    There’s a lot of legal weirdness about their status, I get why people think of it that way, and I’m pretty sure that’s how it was explained to me almost verbatim back in like 4th grade.

    But I think it’s better to think of Puerto Rico as “part of The United States, but not one of the united states”

    That is, it’s part of the country known as the USA

    But it is not one of the states that are united that the country is named after.

    They’re US citizens, if they wanted to, a Puerto Rican could run for president and do anything that any other natural born US citizen could do, just the same as if they’d been born in Texas.

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    • tal@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I feel like this is a really bad way to think of Puerto Rico

      It’s correct. Incorporation is the process via which something becomes part of the US. If it hasn’t undergone incorporation, it isn’t part of the US yet. It’s just administered by the US.

      They’re US citizens

      Yes. Puerto Ricans are American citizens. (Note: in contrast, American Samoans are not, and are just US nationals, an unusual status related to American Samoa reserving the right to run its own naturalization system.) But Puerto Rico the territory is not yet part of the US.

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      • Fondots@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If they’re not part of the US, who are they part of? Because they’re not considered a sovereign nation on their own, and they’re not part of any other sovereign nation.

        The US president is their head of state, they have a resident commissioner who is a member of the US house of representatives and although they can’t vote on legislation they can introduce it.

        And as far as incorporation goes, although officially PR is considered to be unincorporated, there’s an argument to be made that various acts of congress over the years have effectively incorporated Puerto Rico, for example, Gustavo Gelpí argued just that in his opinion in CONSEJO DE SALUD PLAYA DE PONCE, et.al. Plaintiffs v. JOHNNY RULLAN, SECRETARY OF HEALTH OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF PUERTO RICO

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• sundray@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Photo of Alaska:

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