Comment on How in the hell

• ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Most people do not have the luxury of turning down a job offer, as the alternative is hunger and homelessness, which the employer uses as leverage to underpay their employee.

  If housing and basic food staples were a human right (free) only then would you see fair wages in the open market, as people would have the option to turn down unfair jobs, forcing the employer to make them fair or hire no one.

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  • MxM111@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Therefore, we come back to question: what is fair?

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    • unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Based on you own thinking, what would you understand as the attributes of a relationship or agreement that may be considered fair?

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      • MxM111@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think the standard way of salary negotiations (labour supply and demand) is the only way to define fair salary. If this salary is not sufficient to make decent living, and if we want to correct for that, then it should be corrected by other means, such as UBI, out of compassion or other reasons, but not for rareness reasons.

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    • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well, for one; Wages keeping up with inflation and productivity would go a long way to being more fair.

      But I’m curious why you’re asking me what is fair, I already laid that out in my second paragraph in my previous comment. As I said, if the absolute basics to living were freely available, people would be free to reject unfair offers, and thus, in a theoretical ‘free market’ wages and benefits would increase to a truly fair and equal level.

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      • MxM111@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So, your statement is that it is fair to guarantee the basic of living regardless of the person works or not. How do you respond to criticism that it is not fair to forcefully take money via taxes and spend them setting up standard of living for someone else?

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• Cruxifux@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes, everyone loves their job and is happy with their pay for their job. You solved it bud, great work.

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• Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nope. Both parties benefit. Neither is happy.

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  • MxM111@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s your definition of fairness?

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    • Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Did I say that?

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      • MxM111@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No, but that’s what I asked.

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  • unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I suppose someone’s feelings about a deal is also related, at least in part, to the original motive for seeking a deal of some particular kind.

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