Comment on How in the hell

• MxM111@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Which is what happens when a person is hired? Both parties are happy with the agreement, otherwise they wouldn’t accept, right?

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  • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Most people do not have the luxury of turning down a job offer, as the alternative is hunger and homelessness, which the employer uses as leverage to underpay their employee.

    If housing and basic food staples were a human right (free) only then would you see fair wages in the open market, as people would have the option to turn down unfair jobs, forcing the employer to make them fair or hire no one.

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    • MxM111@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Therefore, we come back to question: what is fair?

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      • unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Based on you own thinking, what would you understand as the attributes of a relationship or agreement that may be considered fair?

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      • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well, for one; Wages keeping up with inflation and productivity would go a long way to being more fair.

        But I’m curious why you’re asking me what is fair, I already laid that out in my second paragraph in my previous comment. As I said, if the absolute basics to living were freely available, people would be free to reject unfair offers, and thus, in a theoretical ‘free market’ wages and benefits would increase to a truly fair and equal level.

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  • Cruxifux@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes, everyone loves their job and is happy with their pay for their job. You solved it bud, great work.

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  • Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nope. Both parties benefit. Neither is happy.

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    • MxM111@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s your definition of fairness?

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      • Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Did I say that?

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    • unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I suppose someone’s feelings about a deal is also related, at least in part, to the original motive for seeking a deal of some particular kind.

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• unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How would you apply the general principle to the employment relationship?

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  • TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think employees generally get such a raw deal that a fair deal would be refreshing and positive. However when you look at massively overpriced roles, eg consultants, they’d probably say it wasn’t fair to give them a fair deal.

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    • unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I generally agree. However, I was curious whether you had any thoughts related more directly to one of the earlier comments, concerning how fairness, within the context of employment, might be described or might be evaluated.

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    • MxM111@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But how do you know that “raw deal” is not fair?

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