As we know, people are stupid and they won’t manage their city/ county whatever’s utility management. So I guess it would be more beneficial to keep that in mind and not do the AI crap or are people going to magically become smart?
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partial_accumen@lemmy.world 4 days agoI would pay more for a human without a second thought.
Fuck AI
Edit: what do you really save when you personally save for example $.30 on a transaction when the AI spends five dollars in energy?
Your scales are off. The fully loaded cost of a human worker that can answer customer service questions is probably $60k-$100k per year. That worker can only talk to one customer at a time. That worker can’t cover an entire shift by themselves because you have to have extra workers to accommodate sick/vacation time. So the cost to the company to service the customer service request is potentially $15-$40.
The cost of the AI to provide customer service (we’re not talking about quality in this statement) is maybe $1 to $5 per customer serviced.
The cost of the automated support is about an order of magnitude less than the human worker. Those higher costs for the human have to be rolled into the cost of the product or service.
This might mean you pay $10 or more for the product or service (possibly much more if multiple customer service events are expected for the product/service). Likely not 30 cents saving you’re estimating.
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 4 days ago
As we know, people are stupid and they won’t manage their city/ county whatever’s utility management.
Well thats up to you. I interact with my water co-op yearly at our annual meetings of operations and budgets. This is how I have all this info on Data Center water usage. We have two DCs being built in our co-op coverage territory as we speak. One is a regional colo provider “closed loop” system and uses only marginally more water than an office building of cube farms. The other is an AWS datacenter that is going “open loop” and wants the most water at the worst time (hottest time) of the year. We’re putting the the screws to them and charging them out the yang for it. Its going to pay for additional water infrastructure elsewhere to serve more of the co-op customers and allow us to build an expensive pipeline from one end of the service area to the other.
So I guess it would be more beneficial to keep that in mind and not do the AI crap or are people going to magically become smart?
Make sure you don’t use crypto either then. Its been a larger offender of electricity and water waste than AI has yet.
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
It’s up to me? I am not in control of every single city or county especially in the states. More than 69% of the states do not even have basic reading skills. Sure they will do it right /s. Now you just being silly. Never used crypto, never will. Have a good one.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It’s up to me?
Your actions are up to you, yes. Whether you choose to interact or not in your water utilities or regulation boards is up to you.
I am not in control of every single city or county especially in the states. More than 60% of the states do not even have basic reading skills. Now you just being silly.
Getting involved and taking action locally is silly? I have no idea what your literacy comment has to do with anything we’re talking about.
Have a good one.
Thanks, you too. If you’d like to join me at my co-op annual water meeting, its in July. Hit me up and we’ll go together. If you were a member, you could even run for the board yourself and directly affect water policy in the county. You won’t be able to vote for board members because you’re not a member of the co-op like I am, but you can see how it works and where we have a voice.
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
Then why are they asking people to stop having showers in cities to power the AI?
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Because those communities have not structured their laws/regulations/bylaws to properly capture the true cost of utilities to its consumers and price it accordingly. Users should have fairly low rates up to a certain point, and then higher rates for higher consumption. The higher the consumption should cost exponentially more. Think of “gas guzzler” taxes on inefficient cars. Up to now these water utilities probably haven’t needed to make these changes.
If the water utilities price it appropriately high for the data center provider one of two things will happen:
The reason DCs don’t do that second one by default is because “open loop” (extremely water hungry) is significantly cheaper to operate.
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
How are we going to deal with the 1000’s of people who end up utter brain dead meat bags because they are no longer using their brains?
Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
The same way society has any time we have a technological advancement that has negative consequences but makes a profit. We ignore it until its either too late or becomes too big of a problem to tackle.
A few that come to mind are things like asbestos, lead based products, pollution, CO2 emissions… and thats without stopping to think of a list
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I agree. This will be a problem. However very few people will care about this question when they’re faced with two products/services that are nearly equivalent, but the human derived one costs significantly more.