Comment on AI Laundromat????

• Canconda@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  what do you really save when you personally save for example $.30 on a transaction when the AI spends five dollars in energy?

  Exactly. The economy right now is a big ball and cup game so that the rich can convince workers to keep funding their kleptocracy.

  We pay taxes for public services and utilities that generate private profits while the rich get to benefit of the infrastructure that we funded. The cups, the balls, and the god damn table were all built and paid for by the working class.

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• partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I would pay more for a human without a second thought.

  Fuck AI

  Edit: what do you really save when you personally save for example $.30 on a transaction when the AI spends five dollars in energy?

  Your scales are off. The fully loaded cost of a human worker that can answer customer service questions is probably $60k-$100k per year. That worker can only talk to one customer at a time. That worker can’t cover an entire shift by themselves because you have to have extra workers to accommodate sick/vacation time. So the cost to the company to service the customer service request is potentially $15-$40.

  The cost of the AI to provide customer service (we’re not talking about quality in this statement) is maybe $1 to $5 per customer serviced.

  The cost of the automated support is about an order of magnitude less than the human worker. Those higher costs for the human have to be rolled into the cost of the product or service.

  This might mean you pay $10 or more for the product or service (possibly much more if multiple customer service events are expected for the product/service). Likely not 30 cents saving you’re estimating.

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  • Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Then why are they asking people to stop having showers in cities to power the AI?

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    • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Then why are they asking people to stop having showers in cities to power the AI?

      Because those communities have not structured their laws/regulations/bylaws to properly capture the true cost of utilities to its consumers and price it accordingly. Users should have fairly low rates up to a certain point, and then higher rates for higher consumption. The higher the consumption should cost exponentially more. Think of “gas guzzler” taxes on inefficient cars. Up to now these water utilities probably haven’t needed to make these changes.

      If the water utilities price it appropriately high for the data center provider one of two things will happen:

      • the data center provider will not build there and go elsewhere
      • the data center provider will switch to a “closed loop” system so they don’t have to use so much water.

      The reason DCs don’t do that second one by default is because “open loop” (extremely water hungry) is significantly cheaper to operate.

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      • Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        How are we going to deal with the 1000’s of people who end up utter brain dead meat bags because they are no longer using their brains?

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  • Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As we know, people are stupid and they won’t manage their city/ county whatever’s utility management. So I guess it would be more beneficial to keep that in mind and not do the AI crap or are people going to magically become smart?

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    • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As we know, people are stupid and they won’t manage their city/ county whatever’s utility management.

      Well thats up to you. I interact with my water co-op yearly at our annual meetings of operations and budgets. This is how I have all this info on Data Center water usage. We have two DCs being built in our co-op coverage territory as we speak. One is a regional colo provider “closed loop” system and uses only marginally more water than an office building of cube farms. The other is an AWS datacenter that is going “open loop” and wants the most water at the worst time (hottest time) of the year. We’re putting the the screws to them and charging them out the yang for it. Its going to pay for additional water infrastructure elsewhere to serve more of the co-op customers and allow us to build an expensive pipeline from one end of the service area to the other.

      So I guess it would be more beneficial to keep that in mind and not do the AI crap or are people going to magically become smart?

      Make sure you don’t use crypto either then. Its been a larger offender of electricity and water waste than AI has yet.

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      • Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s up to me? I am not in control of every single city or county especially in the states. More than 69% of the states do not even have basic reading skills. Sure they will do it right /s. Now you just being silly. Never used crypto, never will. Have a good one.

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