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possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

JavaScript is needed to actually build anything useful. It is way easier to maintain and when done properly it can be very fast to load and use.

The problem with today’s web is that pages are extremely inefficient and bloated. You can keep the same UI just don’t try to use every framework and library under the sun. Also it would be nice if people actually formated assets properly instead of using tons of large images and other assets.

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the_wiz@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

JavaScript is needed to actually build anything useful

Tell this to the people who build things you would call today a “Webapp” with CGI written in C.

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- NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  So many basic pages are still done as an SPA when they’d work fine as a postback form. It’s infuriating, but web development is rife with magic hammers.
  
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frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

JavaScript is needed to actually build anything useful

Not even close. I wrote a management system for the keyfobs at my makerspace. I had some JavaScript in there previously for things like loading up logs with pagination over ajax calls or searching for members by name. I took all that out and made it straight server side HTML. It’s fast, takes minimal browser memory, and the back button works with zero fuss.

Just try making an application that way sometime. Yes, you can find places for targeted use of JavaScript, but every web dev should at least try making a project without it.

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- tomenzgg@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s not the bulk of your point (of which I agree with) but your mention of the back button reminded me how much I despise – sometimes above everything else – how much these sites override basic functionality of the browser, overriding inbuilt history navigation, screwing up Ctrl click behaviors, stealing my right-click menu or default key bindings.
  
  There’s a lot of reasons one might not want to use TikTok but the reason that stops me before even having to consider other reasons (but I can’t really explain to most people) is that it’s a site designed without any really respect or regard for the user.
  
  Alt+d doesn’t work and Ctrl+l pops up some modal about logging in. I can’t open any of the recommended videos in a new tab because they clearly must’ve just done them as onclicks and not real anchor tags so right clicking doesn’t give me the option and neither does Ctrl clicking (which – also – that’s…got to be an accessibility violation, right?). And more than half the time the full page doesn’t even load because it’s such a strangle of resources that it needs me to click a button on the page because it wasn’t able to load the videos listing of an account in time.
  
  The whole thing is just a nightmare in terms of design and primarily not even in terms of inefficiency but direct hostility to UX. Absolute garbage.
  
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veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

JavaScript is needed to actually build anything useful.

Underage user detected!

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Kissaki@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m sure you have something different in mind than me when you say JavaScript is way easier to maintain.

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moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
People get so mad about JavaScript then load a dozen 10mb unoptimized image files.

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