Comment on Itch.io is delisting NSFW games due to pressure from payment processors

• carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  mention of sexual assault

  not OP, but for example the first game collective shout went after a few months ago (“no mercy”) was explicitly a game about raping women to make them obedient. this is bad not because its NSFW, it’s bad because it’s rape apologia, which makes it a misogynistic hate game. to me, it’s not much different than “chad vs the gay nazis”, another hate game that was released around the same time and was also quickly delisted. I wouldn’t be surprised if other games that just got delisted were as bad as no mercy. but also, the blanket banning of anything NSFW (or even just kinky) sets a terrible precedent.

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• Cyv_@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The main stuff I saw removed was related to incest and rape, not in a “it contains it” way. Somehow Corruption of Champions 2 escaped the ban hammer which makes me think those games probably took things pretty far, or were basically built to simulate assaulting people.

  For reference, CoC2 is uh… Well when you lose in combat the enemy fucks you, and vice versa. It’s like a lot of fetish stuff too. So not that I know exactly what’s in the games, but I feel like you have to really be trying to outdo CoC2.

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  • hisao@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    In childhood and teenage years I played a lot of games like Carmageddon, Postal, Grand Theft Auto. In first two games slaughtering innocent people en masse is part of gameplay loop. Yet I somehow didn’t grow up to be maniac, and mostly didn’t even hurt anyone physically in my whole life. It’s games, fiction, you’re not supposed to take any of that seriously or to project it onto your real life.

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    • Cyv_@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m aware, I promise you that, I’m not saying games make you violent or awful. That argument has been annoying me to hell and back my whole life. To be honest I’ve not heard the argument for video games made for porn games before, but yeah, fair. So yeah. I don’t like those games, they’re kinda yuck to me, but you do you.

      Out of curiosity do you think there should be a line? Where would it be? Maybe like only explicitly illegal content is ever removed? (I wanna say thats how ao3 works) Or is steam having final say your preference? What if steam decided to make changes on its own?

      If I had my way, I’d just have filters and tags, and let steam manage their storefront. I might disagree on how they do it, but that’s up to them(or it should be). It just feels weird and loopholey that a payment processor is making this sort of overarching decision.

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      • SabinStargem@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        The only line is depictions involving real people without their consent. A flexible line is a exploitable one.

        It is very clear that MasterVisa will use any and all excuses to eliminate queerness from existence, and my perverse games will the excuse.

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      • hisao@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Out of curiosity do you think there should be a line? Where would it be? Maybe like only explicitly illegal content is ever removed?

        For me the line would be fictional-vs-non-fictional. So if a game contains photos or videos of actual people being hurt or abused IRL, that is illegal. But anything fictional is fine. For shocking/kinky stuff, there might be some special tags, and tag-based extra warnings like “this game contains scenes of …, do you want to open the page?”. So when you find and open any game with certain tag you get a warning corresponding to this tag. After confirmation it might remember your consent and enable some flags in the options to not bother you next time. But you can go into the options any moment and hide it all again if you decide you don’t want to see this kind of stuff in future. Also, before you enable/consent to this content, it probably shouldn’t be randomly recommended to you.

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