Comment on The Star Wars Outlaws flop - Guillemot blames waning interest in the franchise

• NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I actually strongly disagree.

  Andor was an example of actually telling a new story. Yes, people were eager to know who Cassian was. But If you had polled the entire Star Wars fanbase, like five of us would have said “Oh, I want a deeply political story with a massive focus on social justice that heavily focuses on a politician and a spymaster’s daughter”. And we would have fully admitted we were on our bullshit.

  Which was basically the problem with Outlaws. Everyone has been asking for a Han Solo game since people realized a Star Wars Pacman could be a thing. And you need to go REAL hard to make that live up to people’s expectations.

  Which, getting back to Andor: I would go so far as to say everything up until The Prison is REALLY rough. You have moments of brilliance (basically any time Skarsgard is on screen) but it spends too much time on a plot point it had already dropped and Cassian is kind of a mary sue. But we were enthralled because this was something NEW (well, less so if you have ever read a political thriller but… Star Wars!). And once it found its legs… it was painful beauty in all the best ways.

  And, to go back to “It is a Han Solo game” or “It is a Jedi knight but not a Jedi Knight” and so forth? It doesn’t take much to realize “I have seen this story a million times” and wander off. Like, I know I basically did that once I heard there were insta-fail stealth sections (although I generally try to not give Ubi money to begin with). Same with Ginger McBoring Face Survivor. It had an interesting hook (I LOVED Dark Times and Dass Jennir) and the gameplay was fine but when it came time to come back for seconds it was just “Eh, I’m good”.

  Nah. We need more Star Wars that people don’t KNOW they want to see. Not just the tired crap that an exec would think was gold.

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  • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I think you guys are saying the same thing. People want to see something they haven’t seen before, even in the star wars universe.

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    • ijedi1234@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I want to see my man Nom Anor messing things up for both the Rebels and Empire. Maybe make the Peace Brigade while he’s at it.

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    • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Its a fundamental mindset that goes into pitch meetings and the like.

      Its the same idea behind game design/balance. If you listen to The Gamers, everything will be insanely OP and there will be no curve or balance at all. When the reality is they DO want that balance even if it means their favorite gun is slightly nerfed. But it will basically never be what they actually say when asked “what do you want?”

      And same with franchises. People will always say “I want a game where I am Han or Luke” or “I want another KOTOR” and so forth. When the reality is that they don’t actually know what they want.

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      • Minnels@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        “why do you balance/Nerf in a single player game? Stupid devs!” Pretty much every single “gamer” with no knowledge of what makes a game fun/challenging. Cracks me up every time.

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  • EtAl_isGitch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I would have been one of those five people. I’ve always wanted adult Star Wars, and Andor finally gave it to me.

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  • HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    everything up until The Prison is REALLY rough.

    I'm very curious why you think the Aldhani raid was rough. Also, season 2 is already done, and I think it in some ways surpasses season 1. Have you seen it?

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    • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Like I said immediately after that. Moments of it are brilliant but it is clear there were still a lot of ways the plot could have gone and the showrunners were keeping their options over. And, while I think Aldhani was good, the Citra weirdness and Cassian being a mary sue who could do the entire rebellion better than anyone who was there. Whereas once Vel became more of a main character (and used to contrast Mon’s inability to overtly act) and they focused more on one story rather than having the option to tell ten, it became one of my favorite shows of all time.

      As for Season 2? I strongly disliked how zany and fun Cassian’s infiltration of the prototype facility was but also understand that they needed to make something so that the trailers aren’t just bleak and horrifying. But after that time skip it resumed being one of my favorite shows of all time And a big part of that was not even pretending that Mon isn’t the actual main character with Cassian and Kleya more a means to an end… which also fits with what they actually came to accept over the years.

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  • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Oh man, I thought I was the only one who didn’t care what was happening until the prison. People were constantly gushing about how amazing it is…but like, it was fine…

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