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America already tried to save the North Koreans once. It was called the “Korean War”.

We bombed them back to the stone age, then permanently isolated them from most of the world. Despite having good reasons for the start of the war, America treated NK like Israel currently treats Gaza.

Even if North Koreans tried to forget that America bombed every hospital, every water purification plant, all the electricity production, etc; the Kim regime’s propaganda will make sure they never forget.

If we actually wanted to help those people, the first step would be removal of economic sanctions. There is no clean way to remove dictatorship, but the “Arab Spring” model is much more effective and humane than the “Afghanistan War” model.

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kelpie_returns@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Til that i don’t know enough about the Korean War. Jfc

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- ragingHungryPanda@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Ohhhhh it’s so much worse. Here’s the intro to the BlowBack podcast S3, which is all about the Korean War open.spotify.com/episode/4ZX1YIvtHhxuoOTaH41VNC
  
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  - kelpie_returns@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Very informative listen so far. Thanks for sharing
    
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anachrohack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
North Korea does not allow its own people to leave. The situation is nothing like Gaza, and to claim otherwise is some dipshit 16 year old tankie nonsense

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- Dogyote@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  If you read the previous comment more closely you’ll realize that the commentor wasn’t comparing today’s NK to Gaza, but Korea during the Korean War to Gaza. That is a reasonable comparison, as nearly every standing structure was bombed.
  
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  - anachrohack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    That’s war for ya
    
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    Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    That’s what you support, yes.
    
    Not sure if you’re more or less of a psychopathic monster for acknowledging it.
    
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- Krono@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  You have obviously misunderstood me.
  
  I was comparing the United States actions in the Korean War(1950s) to Israel’s ongoing genocide in Gaza. The mass civilian bombing campaigns, complete destruction of civilian infrastructure, manmade famine, widespread preventable disease, and imposed economic isolation are very similar between the two cases.
  
  I am not comparing current-day North Korea to current-day Gaza, and I agree with you that would not be a good analogy.
  
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  - anachrohack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    North korea had comparable standards of living to south korea until the late 1980s, mid-1990s. Leaning on the war in the 1950s to explain modern NK is factually wrong. The reason North korea is in such a poor state is because
    
    Their country clings on to a pseudo-scientific economic ideology which has destroyed their country
    
    Their monarchist dictatorship is hell bent on an unsustainable nuclear weapons program and regularly threatens to annihilate their neighbors in a blaze of atomic glory. Hitting them with sanctions is letting them off easy.
    
    If the North Korean government cared about its people (which it doesnt) then they would do 4 things:
    
    End their nuclear ambitions
    
    Implement market reforms to allow the free flow of trade and end centralized planning of their economy
    
    Free all political prisoners and the 3 generations of their family which are considered guilty by association, and end the mass system of concentration camps which they run
    
    The Kim dynasty must step down and allow free and fair elections
    
    None of these things will happen because North korea exists solely to be the personal theme park/prison state for Kim Jong-Un, who does not care an iota for the wellbeing of the North Korean people
    
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    SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The issue as you see it:
    
    clings on to a pseudo-scientific economic ideology
    
    The prescription you suggest:
    
    pseudo-scientific economic ideology
    
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    Krono@lemmy.today ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    So your thesis is that the 1950s war was inconsequential, and then you lay the entire blame on the Kim regime and their policies?
    
    My dude, how do you think the Kim regime became a dictatorship?
    
    Before the 1950s war, Kim was a weak puppet leader propped up by the Soviet Union. By the end of the war, the Kim regime had dictatorial power, which persists to this day.
    
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