Eh, we may have a slightly different outlook on the utilisation of dead animal parts, but how we gain most of them is definitely fucked. As in, most industrial farms are just animal cruelty. But I don’t know that I’d make the same argument necessarily for small-scale farming, given proper regulations.
And hunting is just a thing that genuinely needs doing in certain places. I’m strongly against trophy-hunting of any sort, fuck that, but my brother helping cull the local deer population since humans got rid of apex predators around here ages ago and the ecology and the deer themselves would get utterly fucked if they weren’t culled.
That’s ideologically how I feel. I don’t mind cooking meat. But then like… could I butcher an animal? Like from live animal to a plate? I genuinely don’t know. I’d know how to, but I don’t know if “I had what it took”. And I’d like to, since it’d feel hypocritical eating animals if I didn’t have the capability. When I was in the army, had I lived up north in Finland, the supply NCO’s training there did actually butcher cows afaik. And I learned like how to execute various animals, were there a need for it, but just theoretically. (There’s like a slightly different place on the forehead that you want to pop the bolt gun into, because most massive herbivores have kinda large and differently shaped skulls.)
Sorry if this is like too much “graphic” info or something. We’re not on a vegan community so I hope a respectful disagreement is allowed. And I’m only assuming disagreement, though, but username and the comment, I’m assuming perhaps you don’t utilise animal products. I may be mistaken idk. Apologies if so.
I don’t eat a lot of meat and I prioritise game and if that’s not available, sometimes horse and yes, sometimes beef as well. But I feel like Finland has pretty decent regulations when it comes to treating them, but that’s an excuse for my own moral failings, no factory farming is good.
My ethical views of livestock/game animals, factory farming, slaughter/hunting are pretty much identical to yours. From the Southern US.
Worked on farms as a kid. Chicken houses are a nightmare. The suffering inherent in industrialized meat production is hard to overstate.
I’m rebuilding our little farm. We’re going to have steers, chickens, rabbits. Deer are very overpopulated and I’m going to be taking does to fill our freezer. Trophy hunters are disgusting. (Full disclosure, I’ve taken one trophy, will likely be the only one I ever take, she wouldn’t have made it through the winter.)
Ethically, I think that if you’re going to eat meat, you should have to kill and butcher an animal at least once. We’d have a lot more vegans that way. Factory farming should be abolished.
Not gonna lie, I’m super jealous after reading that.
Not with the experiences of chickenhouses, I’ve seen the inside of industrial meat production as well. I didn’t see any live ones, so I haven’t been at a slaughterer’s.
But like jealous of the possibility to build a farm.
I’d probably give my left testicle if I could go from this bureaucratic bullshit to sort of homesteading. But in Finland, never gonna happen for me. Way too fucking expensive. And big brother got the family house (at an unfairly discounted rate as well.)
I’ve been thinking of just hunting despite living in an apartment. It’s legal. I’d have to prolly use a bow but thats no issue. (Not the accuracy or knowing how to draw one in general). Even if I did everything legally, I’m pretty sure someone might call the cops if I had a carcasa on my balcony. And despite it being legal, I can’t them coming over because of the weed I grow.
But like a chest freezer.
Factory farming should be abolished.
Yup. Small scale farming at most and well regulated at that.
That sucks. My wife and I saved and scrimped for years, and put a big chunk of retirement savings into it. We also moved 700mi/1100km buying the place without visiting it to make it happen. Huge leap into the unknown and we got very lucky to make it happen. We realized we needed to get out of the deep south in 2020. Couldn’t afford to leave the country.
Small game should be totally doable for you if you’re allowed to own a shotgun or . 22. (I love squirrel hunting, I harvest deer because we all love venison but find hunting them missrable and boring.) You could even process deer in apartment without your neighbors knowing. Gut in the field. Quarter or at least bisect them at your vehicle. Put parts wrapped in plastic in duffle bags. Carry into apartment. Further processing like skinning/deboning in bathtub/shower. Use cheap coolers with ice to do what is called wet aging the meat(common in the Southern US as it often isn’t cool enough to hang).
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Eh, we may have a slightly different outlook on the utilisation of dead animal parts, but how we gain most of them is definitely fucked. As in, most industrial farms are just animal cruelty. But I don’t know that I’d make the same argument necessarily for small-scale farming, given proper regulations.
And hunting is just a thing that genuinely needs doing in certain places. I’m strongly against trophy-hunting of any sort, fuck that, but my brother helping cull the local deer population since humans got rid of apex predators around here ages ago and the ecology and the deer themselves would get utterly fucked if they weren’t culled.
That’s ideologically how I feel. I don’t mind cooking meat. But then like… could I butcher an animal? Like from live animal to a plate? I genuinely don’t know. I’d know how to, but I don’t know if “I had what it took”. And I’d like to, since it’d feel hypocritical eating animals if I didn’t have the capability. When I was in the army, had I lived up north in Finland, the supply NCO’s training there did actually butcher cows afaik. And I learned like how to execute various animals, were there a need for it, but just theoretically. (There’s like a slightly different place on the forehead that you want to pop the bolt gun into, because most massive herbivores have kinda large and differently shaped skulls.)
Sorry if this is like too much “graphic” info or something. We’re not on a vegan community so I hope a respectful disagreement is allowed. And I’m only assuming disagreement, though, but username and the comment, I’m assuming perhaps you don’t utilise animal products. I may be mistaken idk. Apologies if so.
I don’t eat a lot of meat and I prioritise game and if that’s not available, sometimes horse and yes, sometimes beef as well. But I feel like Finland has pretty decent regulations when it comes to treating them, but that’s an excuse for my own moral failings, no factory farming is good.
Machinist@lemmy.world 5 months ago
My ethical views of livestock/game animals, factory farming, slaughter/hunting are pretty much identical to yours. From the Southern US.
Worked on farms as a kid. Chicken houses are a nightmare. The suffering inherent in industrialized meat production is hard to overstate.
I’m rebuilding our little farm. We’re going to have steers, chickens, rabbits. Deer are very overpopulated and I’m going to be taking does to fill our freezer. Trophy hunters are disgusting. (Full disclosure, I’ve taken one trophy, will likely be the only one I ever take, she wouldn’t have made it through the winter.)
Ethically, I think that if you’re going to eat meat, you should have to kill and butcher an animal at least once. We’d have a lot more vegans that way. Factory farming should be abolished.
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Not gonna lie, I’m super jealous after reading that.
Not with the experiences of chickenhouses, I’ve seen the inside of industrial meat production as well. I didn’t see any live ones, so I haven’t been at a slaughterer’s.
But like jealous of the possibility to build a farm.
I’d probably give my left testicle if I could go from this bureaucratic bullshit to sort of homesteading. But in Finland, never gonna happen for me. Way too fucking expensive. And big brother got the family house (at an unfairly discounted rate as well.)
I’ve been thinking of just hunting despite living in an apartment. It’s legal. I’d have to prolly use a bow but thats no issue. (Not the accuracy or knowing how to draw one in general). Even if I did everything legally, I’m pretty sure someone might call the cops if I had a carcasa on my balcony. And despite it being legal, I can’t them coming over because of the weed I grow.
But like a chest freezer.
Yup. Small scale farming at most and well regulated at that.
Machinist@lemmy.world 5 months ago
That sucks. My wife and I saved and scrimped for years, and put a big chunk of retirement savings into it. We also moved 700mi/1100km buying the place without visiting it to make it happen. Huge leap into the unknown and we got very lucky to make it happen. We realized we needed to get out of the deep south in 2020. Couldn’t afford to leave the country.
Small game should be totally doable for you if you’re allowed to own a shotgun or . 22. (I love squirrel hunting, I harvest deer because we all love venison but find hunting them missrable and boring.) You could even process deer in apartment without your neighbors knowing. Gut in the field. Quarter or at least bisect them at your vehicle. Put parts wrapped in plastic in duffle bags. Carry into apartment. Further processing like skinning/deboning in bathtub/shower. Use cheap coolers with ice to do what is called wet aging the meat(common in the Southern US as it often isn’t cool enough to hang).