That’s cute. But let the grown ups talk.
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kingofras@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Let’s say we went to space. No need to bring landing on the moon in it. That thing with Kubrik still bugs me, and the Cold War was pretty intense.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Didn’t they leave a retro-reflector on the surface of the moon after the first mission? This seems pretty definitive to me.
psud@aussie.zone 3 days ago
Have you not seen 2001 A Space Oddysee? Kubrick couldn’t have made a fake moon video as realistic as the film from the crews of the six landers that landed and filmed on the moon
How would Kubrick’s film have fake livestreamed to the different downlink sites? Low orbits are much much faster than orbits at lunar altitude (90 minutes versus a month). How could a LEO broadcast satellite pretend to livestream from the moon?
How could they fake it so well Russia couldn’t tell? Russia could pick up and decode the signal from the moon when the moon was up. Radio direction finders were a thing back then
kingofras@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Probably because it was live streaming from the moon. That doesn’t mean that is where the footage was taking place.
Zron@lemmy.world 4 days ago
We went to the moon.
If we hadn’t, the Soviet’s would have been screaming it from the rooftops. The soviets tracked all the Apollo missions themselves, and even had robotic missions going on at the same time as several of the manned US landings.
The Cold War was intense. You think if the US hadn’t made, the soviets would have just let it slide?
kingofras@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I don’t think you know much about Russian culture or history.
They have long hard winters and they plan years ahead.
Also, your president is a Russian asset now, and they have successfully blackmailed to many members of both parties possibly even Supreme Court justices.
Just to get a little bit of a sense of what the USSR was around the time of the moon landing this is a pretty good start. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Brezhnev
Anyway, my experience here on Lemmy is that very few people are capable of looking into so-called conspiracies with a fresh pair of eyes. If the actual version of the events wasn’t reported on BBC and CNN at the time of happening some people will never accept another version of history.
breecher@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
That is not what is happening here. The problem is that your moon landing conspiracy is incredibly stupid if you really think about it. It would require mass cooperation in subterfuge on a scale that would require a lot more resources than actually landing on the moon.
kingofras@lemmy.world 2 days ago
No need to call it names. Your link is relevant to disproving the landing could have been staged how?
It wouldn’t require a lot more resources, it would be about the same, which is probably what happened.
You can go to the moon, have the signals relay and have it still be a broadcast from Earth.
They had the entire moon landing in a studio stage anyway “just in case”.
Next thing you’ll tell me 9/11 was really a bunch of arabs with a couple of thousand flight hours and bad training? That the most secure military headquarters being struck by something, surrounded by CCTV cameras, yet 25 years later all we get is half a dozen still frames of the impact? Or WTC7 just fell by itself is perfectly okay?
What about your elections? Clearly Trump is a cheater. He had a massive reason to cheat. He couldn’t win. The polls were really against him this time. Then he sweeps all swing states just enough to not trigger an automatic recount? Not to mention the massive anomalies they are finding in the data? Yet surpringly democrats, are not even interested in taking a closer look, because examining their elections almost seems unpatriotic? They fear it could do damage to the reputation of a democracy that hasnt really been on since Citizen United?
How about the entire Israeli military standing down at the Gaza border on October 7th? A high profile day that Hamas would use to retaliate? How about the villain (just like Trump) about to go to jail declaring a war cabinet the day after, and have a disproportionate genocide because of that one day? Not to mention how it displayed how powerful the Zionist hold on media and US and EU politics are.
I’m not dragging these other topics in as whataboutisms. I’m saying mass psychosis lying is as much a thing now as it was back then. Think War of the Worlds by Orson Welles. People will believe anything (I mean Jesus Fucking Christ) and will be unshaken in that belief for centuries if it makes them more comfortable doing so than reconsidering the facts.
As I said. I won’t convince you otherwise. I just know that with highly publicised events, specifically by the Yanks, you can bet your ass the outcome was guaranteed beforehand. There is no way a country full of micropenis men (just based on their car preference, no actual proof sorry) will allow for the possibility of a public humiliating failure.
Zron@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It’s not a “so-called conspiracy” it is a conspiracy theory.
Thousands of people worked on the Apollo project. Hundreds of America’s best engineers spent a decade designing and improving the designs for equipment that would go to the moon. If it was really impossible to do it in the 60s, you don’t think some of those people would have come forward by now? And not Bert Sybrils version of “my buddy’s uncle’s friend left his son a confession tape that was destroyed in a fire” version of coming forward. I mean someone from Boeing, or Northrop, or Rocketdyne, or even JPL itself would have said something. You’re talking about keeping thousands of very smart people quiet about something that would have been obvious to them from the start, and asking them to waste a decade of their life designing things that wouldn’t work.
Apollo missions after 11 left scientific instruments on the moon like laser reflectors that let us calculate the moon’s distance from earth more accurately over time. Non-US agencies and universities have used these for lunar observations. Are independent agencies lying for the American government, or are there really reflectors on the moon. If they’re lying, why? What benefit would they gain? If there are reflectors on the moon, how did they get there?
The US government spends millions of dollars every year meticulously preserving lunar rock samples. If it was fake, why would they continue spending that money 50 years later? Why not say “all rocks gone, everyone is fired, go home” 40 years ago? For that matter, those rocks have been sent to thousands of research centers, universities, and labs around the world for analysis and testing. They’re the rarest and most valuable rocks in the world. If NASA shipped some random rock from the Arizona desert to a lab in France or Germany, don’t you think some French or German geologist would go “hold on a minute, this is just ordinary basalt!” And call their local newspaper about how nasa just scammed them and wasted their grant money?
24 astronauts have orbited the moon, and 12 of them walked on it. These are men who dedicated their lives to being the best at what they do, a good chunk of them had doctorates. Again, you’re saying that 2 dozen people wasted a decade of their life training to be the best of the best so they could go to the moon, and then just what, sat in a bunker for a week and then said they went to the moon? And not a single one of those 24 men ever said it was all bullshit? Clearly you don’t understand American history or culture if you think that’s true. We like the big slamdunk, knock out drag out, victory. If that wasn’t true, someone would have blabbed about how they wasted their life for a fake crowning achievement.
Just because you don’t understand how something works doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Go play kerbal space program or read a book on project Apollo if you want to actually understand how space travel works. Watching YouTube videos is not going to educate you.
kingofras@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Responded to the other guy in the other comment.
I’m not saying we didn’t not go to the moon, I’m fairly certain when we “went to the moon” on live TV, that is not what was happening. You don’t understand the cold war, you don’t understand American culture. Ever since liberating Europe and dropping the bomb, they’ve been in constant search to be heros.