Yeah with piling up petty feudal claims I always see appeals to “history” to be intellectually disingenuous and a rather disgusting excuse to kill people. It’s basically revanshism, you know, what Hitler did and Putin’s doing. We haven’t learnt shit from fuck have we. Religion being another terrible excuse. So I agree with you. Can’t we just freeze all the borders and globalize at last? Why all the dumb separation over delusions such as culture, religions and nationalism? I guess pride and inertia won’t allow it.
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fubo@lemmy.world 1 year agoSurely then the Arabs will give it back to the French, whom they conquered it from at the end of the Crusades … but the French have to give it back to the Arabs … who have to give it back to the Greek Christians that they conquered it from … who have to give it back to the Romans … then the Jews again … then the Babylonians (the pre-Arab Iraqis, that is) … then the Jews again … then the Spanish and Moroccans as the ethnic descendants of the Sea Peoples (the original Palestinians) … eventually it goes back to the Akkadians or something, right?
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PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Or we can draw a line at the very real point where Britain, in all their hubris, said, “Fuck all y’all Arabs, this land is for the Jews” shortly after WWII.
dpkonofa@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is the part I don’t get. You can easily set aside the history from hundreds of years ago because the point you describe is such recent history that there are people still alive who remember when this period of shit started. There is no one alive to settle the dispute about when the area went from Canaan to Israel and who was right/wrong but there is a lot of documented knowledge about what happened when Britain got involved after WWI up through WWII.
nucawysi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
there is a thing called oral history and that is also documented. this is how jews believe that that G-d spoke to them on mount sinai, it was passed down and recounted by witnesses from generation to generation. I heard a scientific proof about this compared to claims other religions make that was quite interesting, but the point is there have always been witnesses to history and some of those witnesses create a record that is verifiable in a number of ways and hard to dispute.
GenEcon@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Thats a complete arbitrary point in time. Why that one and not one hundred years earlier during the ottoman empire?
PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Because it’s not an arbitrary point in time. Jews weren’t there as a nation prior to that point. Then Britain made it so. There’s a before and after that’s clearly demarcated in history where the people in the area, whoever they were, was displaced by a foreign power to give land to people who hadn’t been there before.
Why can’t we just do it again, but this time displace ourselves? Wouldn’t the Republican party prefer the white skin of Jewish refugees than the brown skin of Palestinians? And then we can give them South Dakota, as someone suggested. And then Palestinians can have their state.