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• merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The only opinion that should matter is that of the people the artifacts belong to.

  Which people? The government? So in Afghanistan it’s up to the Taliban? If you don’t trust that the government of a country represents the will of the people, then how do you determine what the people want?

  And, again, which people? Is a totem pole in a museum in Canada the property of the Canadian people? Or is it something that belongs to the Haida people, and it doesn’t matter what other Canadians want? If it is up to the Haida, it is up to the Council of the Haida Nation, or is it up to the band the original artist belonged to?

  What about a Tatar artifact found in Donetsk? Who gets control over that? Is it the Russians since they occupy Donetsk? The Ukrainians because they used to occupy it? Do you have to study the blood of various Ukrainian people to figure out who has the most surviving Tatar DNA?

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  • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you don’t trust that the government of a country represents the will of the people, then how do you determine what the people want?

    You mean most governments?

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• greenskye@lemmy.zip ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What if some of the locals want it taken away for protection, but the government wants it destroyed?

  There’s no clear ‘owner’ in many cases. I think it places where it’s uncertain, then we should prioritize saving the artifacts over the ones that seek to destroy them.

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  • pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You will never be able to get everyone to agree on anything and you can’t hold a referendum for every artifact.

    So as far as responsibility goes, barring edge cases, it should be left upto the government to decide, as they represent the people.

    There’s no clear ‘owner’ in many cases.

    Just return it to the country where it was taken from. And I don’t think there are many cases where ownership is vague, most are pretty plain and clear.

    then we should prioritize saving the artifacts over the ones that seek to destroy them.

    That’s not on you, that’s on their original keepers. Otherwise you are propagating colonial era crimes and justifying them by arguing in bad faith.

    P.s.

    • Museums are notorious record when it comes to maintaining artifacts, especially the British museum.
    • They also do less than what’s needed to discourage artifact smuggling.

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• KittyCat@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  In many cases there is no owner, they’re from a completely separate culture that happened to occupy the same region in the past.

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  • pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Many cases

    Source: my ass

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