Comment on Too many non-working holidays in America.

• Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I work nights from home, so I hardly ever need to take PTO. Kinda nice at the end of the year though when I typically take November and December off to burn the PTO I can’t carry over into the new year (limited to 40 hours).

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  • Sc00ter@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We used to do this at work. But it would turn out the company basically shut down after thanksgiving because so few people actually took vacation thru out the year.

    Now we are on “permissive time off” which means there is no set amount you can take or really… have to take. So in general, people just work more and are pissed off about it

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    • Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Shhh, don’t tell my company!

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• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People who don’t like PTO don’t like it because:

  It is implemented in a bullshit way that is often literally illegal…

  And it is implemented by idiot/cheap managers who don’t have enough actual staff hours to cover anyone being sick or taking PTO.

  The bog standard norm for every kind of min wage tier job is that the manager will just unapprove your vacation that you accrued and scheduled weeks or months ago, and then oops, that also makes it so you haven’t been accumulating more PTO because you hit your max and didn’t use it in time.

  Or just any manager that says you can only have a sick day, vacation, or any kind of emergency if you find a replacement for your shift.

  That one is particularly amazing because… that is the manager’s job, to do that, not yours.

  But this kind of (again, often literally illegal) bullshit is so totally common and normalized amongst these shit ass jobs, that most workers don’t even know how bullshit it is, and will rabidly attack and malign their coworkers instead of blaming their petty tyrant boss.

  These people are basically, generally correct in identifying PTO as basically bullshit in these situations, but they’re too overworked and uninformed to put together that… it could be organized/executed in a not bullshit way, and it’s their boss’s (or corporate’s) fault that it isn’t.

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  • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, and unfortunately, like you said, that entire practice is fully illegal in the states. However, most employees are unwilling to report it and then file the evidence of why it was done. Because while there is no mandatory vacation time in the US, if you are provided It as a benefit, it must be something that you can use. And if they are regularly denying your PTO because they don’t have the people to be able to cover it, then they are denying you a benefit which they are legally obligated to provide since they offered it as part of your benefits.

    The amount of times that people just decide, oh well it’s only PTO. It’s no biggie. I don’t want to rock the boat. It’s insane. Like my mom lost over 600 hours of PTO because the business closed up and she didn’t fight that they needed to pay it. She doesn’t put two and two together that she’s overall getting paid less because she has the benefit of having that PTO. So if they were to not offer the PTO, they are just paying less.

    Your PTO, if offered, is part of your benefits package, meaning that it’s part of your hourly wage calculation. So if you are given PTO and then not being allowed to use it, you are voluntarily being given a demotion.

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    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      … and this is why non corrupt unions need to exist.

      A single person likely can’t afford the legal costs or even just simply the time and headache of pursuing justice, and there is just a massive ass backward culture in the US of it being rude to discuss money and finances with basically anyone…

      Get the masses fighting with each other, distrustful of each other, so they don’t rally against the real, common enemy.

      Oldest tactic in the book, divide and conquer, but you’d have to undo over a century of brainwashing that has now just become a cultural norm amongst morons who think one day they’ll be able to be the asshole boss.

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