Sir, you can’t blame class war rather than entire ethnic and cultural groups in here. How else will people know to fight against each other instead of the oligarchs?
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gmtom@lemmy.world 3 days ago
The British didn’t cause the famine, they “just” made it worse.
And really it’s not even “the british” that are to blame. It was the rich land owners that continued to export the food grown in Ireland in order to make profit and the conservative (well, whig, but they are the spiritual predecessor to the modern conservatives and where politically conservative at the time) government that stopped and aid and refused to ban exporting food out of Ireland as they believed the famine was divine providence.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 days ago
FelixCress@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Or we should just stick to facts?
khannie@lemmy.world 3 days ago
This is absolutely false. They didn’t cause the potato blight but they absolutely caused the famine by forcing the export of the remaining food stock which was more than enough to feed the population.
We still have not reached pre-famine population levels after 180 years.
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Uhm akshually don’t you know that it was a subset of British society and not Britain as a whole. Jeeze, way to not be historically accurate.
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Hope the /s is implied but just incase. If you’re British and upset by this take, maybe your ancestors should have rolled out some guillotines when the French did. It’s not too late to get rid of Charles, Starmer, Farage, Johnson and the rest of these chucklefucks.
khannie@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Ah yeah. I’m Irish and I don’t blame modern folks over there for it. I know it was the ruling class but damn where they cold AF. To be fair though there were lots of acts of brutality from British soldiers over the centuries who I have to guess were working class. Well beyond just “following orders”.
We do remember the acts of kindness at the time, especially the Choctaw as I mentioned in another comment. Just goes to show it’s nice to be nice. You will be eventually be forgiven the sins of your ancestors they you do bad things, but you will forever be remembered as kind if your ancestors do nice things.
gmtom@lemmy.world 3 days ago
And I’m sure you personally have made moves to execute your worst politicians right? And have no ancestors that have done anything wrong in the past?
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Oh no, I absolutely have ancestors in my past that have done horrendous things. And I’m Australian, so they were also British subjects ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As for the executions, well I’d love to get my hands on Charles! #NotMyKing
Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 days ago
yup because the blight was affected the low genetic diversity of the potato cultivar were using, this allowed the oomycetes to infect the potatos, aka water molds, which are not related to fungus.
gmtom@lemmy.world 3 days ago
That’s litterally exactly what I said.
khannie@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It’s not though.
It’s a common misconception but there are a few issues with “didn’t cause the famine” for me:
So the British did cause the actual famine in it’s entirety and the deliberate lack of relief was seen as an act of God / retribution to reduce the population here (which they 100% left to starve, with some kind landlord exceptions).
It’s why the Irish don’t call it “The Famine” any more. It’s “the great hunger” here because there wouldn’t have been a famine at all if we’d just been left the fuck alone to grow a variety of crops instead of being raped and pillaged for hundreds of years.
gmtom@lemmy.world 2 days ago
That’s a very good point and a distinction well worth making, thank you.