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I think Musk is stupider than people realize. He’s a true believer in his grandpa’s technocracy movement (plus eugenics), and so he thought “if I was in control for just a few weeks everyone would realize they should just let me run the world”

Then, he got practically unlimited power, and everyone got mad at him. He seemed genuinely surprised that people weren’t praising him for his sacrifices (such as selflessly condemning hundreds of thousands of people to death)

Then he showed he was useless at buying elections, and the right dropped him

He followed Trump around for a while quietly, probably spending most of it in a k-hole. Then Trump officially broke up with him, even if he glazed Elon on the way out

Then the narcissism kicked back in. Maybe his “friends” rubbed it in, maybe his dad called him a disappointment who fumbled the chance of a lifetime, maybe the threat of legal ramifications made him bitch out - but whatever happened, Elon woke up one day and decided “it wasn’t my fault, Trump and Co fucked me”

I think Elon is actually concerned about the bill to some degree, because it does stretch our debt and spending to levels that could potentially pop the global economy. I think he does feel disrespected that his work at Doge is being rolled back and everyone is distancing themselves from him. I think he is upset that he spent all this money to buy the presidency, and got a bad ROI

But ultimately, Elon is a fucking idiot with a huge ego. He didn’t understand what game he was playing, and so when he lost he started blaming others

And it’s beautiful. Possibly the greatest crash out in history

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Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
He thought he was playing the game against Trump who is in fact a moron. But then he found out there are smart powerful evil people actually pulling the strings who have more power than he could imagine. He got fucking set up and rolled over by people as cunning as he perceived himself to be. Self reflection is not something good brain is capable of so he’s just lashing out lol. He’s a bozo and his companies are going to 0.

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- wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah I really hope he goes after Vought and the truly evil people next. It’d be glorious to watch them all fight and get ripped apart so they can’t harm anyone else.
  
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- theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Pretty much. Trump is charismatic… But his brain is leaking out his nose and he wasn’t very smart to begin with. Elon is effectively dumber, because trump knows he’s in this to get his bread buttered - Elon might have more ram, but he doesn’t understand the difference between con and reality
  
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  - nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Maybe it’s being neurodivergent but I have never understood his “charisma”. He’s always been a vile, crass, babbling, moron whose only “secret” to deal making had been finding rubes that didn’t think his lifetime of theft of service, as well as just plain theft (that for was never prosecuted as it should have been because white collar crime) magically wouldn’t apply to them.
    
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    theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I mean, I’ve never enjoyed watching him speak, but charisma isn’t just being convincing. It’s controlling the atmosphere, controlling the conversation, making people cheer
    
    You don’t have to buy it to recognize charisma. People undeniably were taken in by it. He says the stupidest, most incoherent shit… But people still ate it up
    
    If you want to truly understand, pick one of his older speeches, and watch it. Then, read the transcript. Even if you hate every moment of both, the difference is staggering
    
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- atlien51@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Damn, well put :x
  
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psud@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Regarding “Elon is stupid” I don’t agree. He has shown exceptionally good technical skills, he has no people skills, he’s worse than useless at presenting himself to the public in general

I don’t think he engineered much at either Tesla or SpaceX, but he had an excellent understanding of what they were doing - he could answer all the (non-ITAR, non trade secret) questions Tim Dodd asked in his tour of Starbase. When model 3 was new Randall Monroe did and assessment of the vehicle, Musk took the criticism and the next version fixed all the identified problems.

I would say Trump is the opposite. Actually low IQ, poorly educated, but good at talking to the population at large

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- theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  No, he’s shown zero technical skills across his lifetime. He literally has no skill as a programmer or as an engineer
  
  Have you ever seen a kid with a model car that can rattle off the horsepower and acceleration speed? That’s what Elon is. He doesn’t understand these things - he buys companies and learns the spec sheet because he’s a fanboy with too much money.
  
  Elon couldn’t code his way out of a paper bag. He couldn’t put together a model rocket with instructions on the box. What he can do is memorize a bunch of statistics he doesn’t understand on a fundamental level
  
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  - jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    While I have not reviewed a lot of Musk speak, let alone armed with enough to credibly review his commentary, but based on my own field and “respected technical leaders” that interview with customers and the press, with broad acknowledgement that they really know their stuff…
    
    Most of them I’ve known can sound very confident and credible while saying completely incorrect stuff. No one tries to correct them because them being actually correct doesn’t add value and trying to fix that is more trouble than it’s worth much of the time. The people paying attention don’t know well enough to recognize they are wrong… usually…
    
    Upon occasion my company throws one of these “geniuses” at a customer that actually knows what they are doing. Then I got to see our executive basically try to gaslight the audience when they challenged his competency. The sales people has to last minute pull in the actual technical people to try to repair our image after the customer interacted with the executive…
    
    Now one would think, clearly, after such an embarrassment, surely the company learned to field the actual technical experts to deal with technical questions… But no, for every smart customer that is turned off by that executive, there’s 10 more clients that don’t know any better and respond so much better to his baseless confidence than actual competent discussion. Also, those 10 suckers will also get suckered into more high margin stuff versus the smart customer, that will be really good at getting the most cost effective products, with low margin and skipping the pointless addions.
    
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    theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    That’s dead on. Great description, that’s exactly the dynamic he had with the public
    
    The only difference is people who saw through the facade were happy to let him hype up good technologies… well, at least until we found out he’s always been a fascist at least
    
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- theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Ever listen to a kid with a model car rattle off horsepower, 0-60 time, engine displacement, and other facts?
  
  The child does not understand what that means, not really. They might know the dictionary definitions for those words, but the kid doesn’t have the context to understand what it means in a useful way. They just memorize the stats because they’re neat.
  
  That’s what Elon is.
  
  Elon is a trained programmer who doesn’t understand code. It’s painfully apparent he has no understanding of what he’s talking about once he starts talking on a subject you know intimately… Dude is actually an idiot. An absolute joke. His thinking is laughably superficial
  
  He’s also pretty terrible with people, but he sold the “awkward nerd” persona very well. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about - but he knows how to make it seem like he just can’t properly express himself to a layman
  
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- Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  He’s got the technical skills of a toddler learning to walk. I doubt he could code hello world.
  
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- Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Intelligence is multidimensional. Musk is obviously great at business, the kind where you stretch the limits of what is allowed to grow your empire, and (I agree) he knows what he’s building and capable of recognizing where he should lead the product next.
  
  His political acumen is gotta be dogshit, with an unlimited money all he managed to do is to destroy the “realworld ironman” image he spent a decade crafting. He has no rizz, especially compared to Trump who is loved by half of the world (and hated by the other).
  
  Also, critically for him IMO, he has no self-reflection. With all that power gassing your ego up, it is crucial to be able to step back and see that you’re just a dumb ape as the rest of us. Recognize things you’re bad at and find good people to field for you, instead of sycophants whispering “it’s the kids who are wrong”
  
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  - wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    No he just got lucky a few times. Then he flagrantly broke the law because he realized the SEC would never hold him accountable and that let him turn Tesla into the first memestock. That’s why he is megawealthy. Luck and fraud.
    
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    Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I agree, I just think you need to have a certain acumen to recognize the opportunity for a grift and then to keep the plates spinning for a decade.
    
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chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The bill ends the carbon offset income that’s the largest portion of Tesla’s income. Combined with their sales being in the toilet because everybody hates him, and the company very well may not survive.

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LordGimp@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It’s funny to watch Ted Faro play out IRL lmao

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- nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  When playing Forbidden West, I pretty quickly concluded that Faro was based on him. And the Zeniths were very much Bezos and friends.
  
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