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Womens choice of clothing doesnt excuse predators, but it still puts many in a tough situation by tempting them (not voluntarily but for them its a temptation).

It is voluntary. Being a creep is a learned behavior and can be unlearned. I’ll admit it’s systemic but it’s our(M/Society) responsibility to change that.

Which is in no way saying the women are at fault but unwanted outcomes can be avoided by their chioce.

The sentence part after “but” is in direct conflict with thee first.

So you could live your life making sure others arent influenced in a negative way by your behavior or you could go to the limits of yoir freedom disregarding any consequences for others as long as youre on the legal side. The answer should be somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but who can say where exactly. (I mean many do pretend they know, but its obviously subjective)

This should have been a separate paragraph, it’s a different idea even if in context. This still let’s predators off the hook by assuming their motivations and behavior are “natural” or “innate” in a way that can’t change. The one thing humans do well is learn. It’s one of our few evolutionary advantages. The “limits of your freedom” don’t have to include predatory behavior if you don’t identify it as part to your autonomy or self.

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tomi000@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

It is voluntary. Being a creep is a learned behavior and can be unlearned. I’ll admit it’s systemic but it’s our(M/Society) responsibility to change that.

Definitely

The sentence part after “but” is in direct conflict with thee first.

I dont think it is. You can avoid being shot on the street by not leaving your house. The blame lies with the shooter but you could avoid it if that was your goal.

This should have been a separate paragraph, it’s a different idea even if in context. This still let’s predators off the hook by assuming their motivations and behavior are “natural” or “innate” in a way that can’t change.

Thats not what Im saying at all and I dont think my comment made it sound like that. Im 100% convinced that predators are at fault and should be the ones being punished. Maybe my comment was unclear, Im not a native speaker.

~~The~~ one thing humans do well is learn. It’s one of our few evolutionary advantages. The “limits of your freedom” don’t have to include predatory behavior if you don’t identify it as part to your autonomy or self.

Not sure what you mean exactly but I wasnt talking about predators’ freedom.

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- untorquer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  I dont think it is. You can avoid being shot on the street by not leaving your house. The blame lies with the shooter but you could avoid it if that was your goal.
  
  Isn’t that just the point again though? Expressing suicidal thoughts is literally reaching out for help while being fully aware of the risk. If we accept those who impose that risk then we stigmatize reaching out for help. If we tell women to dress differently to avoid the risk we tell them the creeps are valid.
  
  Thats not what Im saying at all and I dont think my comment made it sound like that. Im 100% convinced that predators are at fault and should be the ones being punished. Maybe my comment was unclear, Im not a native speaker.
  
  Yeah probably just a wording/text forum/secondary language thing. See below.
  
  Not sure what you mean exactly but I wasnt talking about predators’ freedom.
  
  Probably same confusion as above.
  
  So the talking points you’re making, at least in form and not intent, parallel arguments from evangelicals and other extreme right or fascist types. After talking I know you didn’t intend anything close to those viewpoints. However, I don’t feel it would have been appropriate to leave a statement unaddressed if there was a chance of interpretation in the malignant sense.
  
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