Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai?
yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 4 days agoMatter to whom?
We are discussing whether creating an AGI is possible, not whether humans can tell the difference (which is a separate discussion).
Most people can’t identify a correct mathematical equation from an incorrect one, especially when the solution is irrelevant to their lives. Does that mean that doing mathematics correctly “doesn’t matter?”
It would be weird to enter a mathematical forum and ask “why do you care? Why does it matter?”
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 days ago
this is irrelevant, we’re talking about something where nobody can tell the difference.
it means a job. That’s obviously not a job and obviously not what is meant, an interesting strategy from one who just used “what most people mean when they say”
it just has to be at least as good as a human at manipulating the world to achieve its goals, I don’t know of any other definition of agi that factors in actually meaningful tasks
an agi should be able to do almost any task a human can do at a computer. It doesn’t have to be conscious and I have no idea why or where consciousness factors into the equation.
yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 3 days ago
You’re missing the point. The existence of black holes was predicted long before anyone had any idea how to identify them. For many years, it was impossible. Does that mean black holes don’t matter? That we shouldn’t have contemplated their existence?
Seriously though, I’m out.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 days ago
The existence of black holes has a functional purpose in physics, the existence of consciousness only has one to our subjective experience, and not one to our capabilities.
yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 3 days ago
These have been listed repeatedly: love, think, understand, contemplate, discover, aspire, lead, philosophize, etc.
There are, in fact, very few interesting things that a non-thinking entity can do. It can make toast. It can do calculations. It can design highways. It can cure cancer. It can probably fold clothes. None of this shit is particularly exciting. Just more machines doing what they’re told. We want a machine that can tell us what to do, instead. That’s AGI. No such machine can exist, at least according to our current understanding of mathematical logic, theoretical computer science, and human cognition.
yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 3 days ago
Economics is descriptive, not prescriptive. The whole concept of “a job” is completely made up and arbitrary.
This has been fun, but I’m bored now.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 days ago
A job is a task one human wants another to accomplish, it is not arbitrary at all.
i don’t see why they do, a philosophical zombie could do it, why not an unconscious AI? alphaevolve is already making new science, I see no reason an unconscious being with the abilty to manipulate the world and verify couldn’t do these things.
yes but you can give it large, vague goals like “empower humanity, do what we say and minimize harm.” And it will still do them. So what does it matter?
yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 3 days ago
What the hell does “empower humanity” mean? When you tell it to reduce harm, how do you know it won’t undertake a course of eugenics? How do you know it won’t see fit that people like you, by virtue of your stupidity, are culled or sterilized?
Why do you expect an unthinking, non-deliberative zombie process to know what you mean by “empower humanity”? There are facts about what is GOOD and what is BAD that can only be grasped through subjective experience.