Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai?
yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 4 weeks agoThat’s fine, but most people aren’t interested in an illusion or a magic trick. When they say AGI, they mean an actual thinking mind capable of rationality (such as mind would be sensitive and responsive to reasons).
Calculators, LLMs, and toasters can’t think or understand or undertake rational (let alone moral) deliberation by definition. They can only do what they’re told. We don’t need more machines that do what they’re told. We want machines that can think and understand for themselves. Like human minds, but more powerful. That would require subjective understanding that cannot be programmed by definition. For more details, see Gödel’s incompleteness theorems. We can’t even axiomatize mathematics, let alone program human intuitions about the world at large. Even if it’s possible we simply don’t know how.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 4 weeks ago
If it quacks like a duck it changes the entire global economy and can potentially destroy humanity. All while you go “ah but it’s not really reasoning.”
what difference does it make if it can do the same intellectual labor as a human? If I tell it to cure cancer and it does will you then say “but who would want yet another machine that just does what we say?”
your point reads like complete nonsense to me. How is that economically valuable? Why are you asserting most people care about that and not the part where it cures a disease when we ask it to?
yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 4 weeks ago
A malfunctioning nuke can also destroy humanity. Destroying humanity is not a defining feature of AGI. The question is not whether we can create a machine that can destroy humanity. (Yes.) The question is whether we can create a machine that can think. (No.)
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 4 weeks ago
If there’s no way to tell the illusion from reality, tell me why it matters functionally at all.
yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 4 weeks ago
Matter to whom?
We are discussing whether creating an AGI is possible, not whether humans can tell the difference (which is a separate discussion).
Most people can’t identify a correct mathematical equation from an incorrect one, especially when the solution is irrelevant to their lives. Does that mean that doing mathematics correctly “doesn’t matter?”
It would be weird to enter a mathematical forum and ask “why do you care? Why does it matter?”