but after seeing them blocking ambulances
JSO in the UK have a very clear blue-light policy - ie get out of the way and letting them pass - so this does not happen.
Beyond that, the point is protest is that it’s disruptive.
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JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 8 months agoI used to be quite sympathetic but after seeing them blocking ambulances and trying to fuck up the day of people who otherwise agree, I hate them and hope they’re all arrested. And I’m not alone. Support for the climate movement has halved in two years in Germany because of these absolute morons.
While 68 percent of those surveyed in 2021 said they fundamentally supported the climate movement, the figure in the current publication has halved to 34 percent. What is striking is that support has declined significantly in all social groups, even in more progressive milieus that were otherwise more open to the movement.
When asked specifically about the “Last Generation” road blockades, 85 percent of those surveyed said they had no understanding of this form of protest.
hellothere@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
gmtom@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Oh no, how will we ever cope without the support of spiteful dickheads who weren’t doing a single fucking thing to help in the first place.
Peoe like you don’t understand the point of these protests. It’s not about winning you lot over, because nothing was ever going to do that. We have been protesting “the right way” for decades and people like you just stuck your head in the sand and ignored the problem to focus on your own convenience. And now we’re royally fucked. So all we can do now is get in pepples way, disrupt their lives so they are forced to pay some kind of attention.
When people like you say you disaprove of these protests, what you really mean is you want to be able to go back to ignoring the problem.
JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
If you don’t realise why killing political support for your cause is bad, by all means, keep doing what you’re doing. If you want to affect real change, be nice to the people from whom you want votes.
gmtom@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Okay, but we have DECADES of proof that shoenthat way hadn’t worked.
You can keep talking about “bring nice” all you like and take the high road, but it just does not work.
JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
That democracy doesn’t work that way? Okay, if convincing people to vote for your cause doesn’t work in a democracy, how does it work?
Rokk@feddit.uk 8 months ago
How will these protests lead to meaningful change? Do you think this form of protest will result in any more success than aforementioned ‘right way’?
gmtom@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I can’t tell you if they will result in meaningful change, but I can tell you that historically, protests that are easy to ignore work a hell of a lot less that protests that get in people’s faces and disrupt their lives.
And anyone that actually gives enough of a shit to do something about isn’t going to put off by being made 10 minutes late to work by a protest or having their precious bideo game convention distrusted for 30 seconds. The only people that are getting pissed off by this are the self-absorbed man-children of the world.
wombatula@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Ok and what’s the plan exactly? “Just stop oil” will kill millions if not billions, the entire worlds economy relies on fossil fuels.
What exactly does the protest accomplish? Awareness is worth about as much as thoughts and prayers, so what will this help exactly?
A protest with no plan is just making noise.
Tweak@feddit.uk 8 months ago
It can’t result in less success.
HeartyBeast@kbin.social 8 months ago
I think this comment demonstrates pretty much everything that's wrong with the JSO approach. The arrogant supposition that you know anything about the people who are disrupted is breathtaking.
You have that right. But I suspect that "people like you" care very little about climate change and how to avoid it. But you really enjoy getting in people's way, disrupting theitr lives and getting attention... and that's the point.
gmtom@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I mean I have debilitating social anxiety and spend a lot of energy every day trying to keep put of people’s way and not inconvenience them.
Literally the only reason I was able to force myself to go to protests like these is because of how much I care about the environment, like anyone with any sort of morals whatsoever should as well. Its also why I go to protests that do things “the right way” that don’t get mentioned on the news at all, have no effect on anyone and are completely ignored by absolutely everyone and I also do as much as I can to reduce my own impact despite how small a drop in the ocean it is comparatively. I never drive even when I lived in the middle of nowhere and had a cycle 3 miles to a bus stop to get into the city to do my job, I eat almost no meat, invest my savings into green energy and worked to become the head of the ecological advisory committee at my work.
And yes, I know plenty about the people I’m disrupting from my copius interactions with them, like how even times where we shut down a minor road for 5 minutes at a time, and where you can easily detour around it, people will act like you’ve just nurdered their first born infront of them, and will stubbornly sit their in traffic and scream at you to move, even after telling them can go down another road if they are actually in a hurry.
And I know people will literally pull out infront of an ambulance to block it from going down the lane we cleared for emergency vehicles and them blame their actions on us. And I know a lot of those pepper genuinely think fighting someone or running them over is an appropriate response to being mildly inconvenienced for 5 minutes.
And I know none of the people that scream and shout, have ever done anything to help the cause. They will say “I used to support you until this” but when asked what they actually DID to support us, they always draw a blank or say some childish bullshit like “well I did recycle but now I’m going to stop just to spite you”
Like if you take a step back and look at the big picture and what you’re arguing. That we should just take the impending climate crisis lying down if the alternate is some gamers having their convention disrupted for 2 minutes. You’ll see how fucking absurd and narcissistic you sound.
letsgo@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Sure, but it’s not five minutes is it. It’s fucking HOURS because (a) you’ve glued yourselves to the roads and (b) congestion.
I would completely support a five minute road blockage.
HeartyBeast@kbin.social 8 months ago
The stance appears to be - "We're not trying to change the minds of the people whose lives we disrupt because they are all mindless morons who have never cared about the environment and deserve to made miserable. And of course we aren't really disrupting them anyway - any real disruption is caused by people out to discredit us. Everyone I meet is angry at me for some reason."
I just don't think it is very effective as a way of driving the change you want to see, as it tends to promote the belief 'ah environmentalists - they're arseholes'
noodle@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Aaaaaaaaaaand this is how you nuke support from orbit.
This way isn’t working either. It’s time to go back to the drawing board and brainstorm some better ideas.
gmtom@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m all ears mate if you have better ideas. And don’t just say something like. “Inconvenience the people that matter” or “go protest outside oil depots” because we do, and we get the exact same criticism from the exact same people about it and it just doesn’t make the headlines.