Comment on What techniques do bad faith users use online to overwhelm other users in online discussion and arguments?

• WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Given what you said, how do we make headway in shaping opinions publicly by disengaging and allowing their opinions to freely go uncontested

  To engage you’d have to go into those public spaces, go back to reddit, YouTube comment sections, Facebook groups, etc.

  If online debate is a waste of time, why are the just powerful and richest people investing in shaping it while you tell others to disengage

  Because the powerful and richest have more money and power than you do.

  If you’re interested in shaping public opinion I think you need to ask yourself why you are on Lemmy instead of somewhere else?

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  • naught101@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If you’re interested in shaping public opinion I think you need to ask yourself why you are on Lemmy instead of somewhere else?

    (Not OP) Because the “somewhere elses” all have their own fucked up problems, like algorithms that optimise for combativeness, and corporate control of various debates. Lemmy has the potential to provide a viable alternative, and it needs content in order to get big enough to do it. It’s the long game.

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    • WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Great answer.

      the “somewhere elses” all have their own fucked up problems, like algorithms that optimise for combativeness, and corporate control of various debates

      I think keeping this in mind is key. When corporations have full control of these debates we realize maybe we’re wasting our time trying to appeal to their algorithms and should just build a new space without it.

      Inherently the new space will be a little smaller and reach less people, but we value that because it gives us a bit more room to speak.

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  • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    youutube, they just call everything woke.

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