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lowered_lifted@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

You are ignorant of the genetic factors at play here and I think you need to realize that your rhetoric is identical to victim blaming eugenics ideology. You sound like RFK Jr. and I’m guessing you would want me dead if you could have things that way. It’s honestly despicable and I don’t know how people like you sleep at night.

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gaja@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Hear me out. You’re villainizing me because what I said struck a nerve. You don’t actually believe I want you dead. You’re just upset that I pointed out a deep flaw. Maybe it’s an insecurity, or cognitive dissonance, or whatever. I’m very familiar with this type of response. Whatever it is, realize that someone likely depends on you and that an unhealthy lifestyle is not good for them. I’m encouraging you to do better, if not for yourself, the people in your life you care for. I recognize my ignorance. I’m not a therapist. I’m just stating something I’ve personally observed.

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kcweller@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Buddy, you’re over stating the importance of genetics. Time and time again it shows that getting bigger is more nurture than nature. Papers and research retounely come out saying its a two-sides of the same coin issue, but then fail to support their nature/genetics claims, which are often refuted. Slender families get children who end up obese because of lifestyle, and their children become obese. That’s not genetics. The grandchildren end up obese because obese parents place their lifestyle and diets onto their children.

Claiming something is victim blaming is insanely disrespectful to the people who actually get blamed for things out of their control. Your weight is in your control for the vast, VAST majority of people.

People with disabilities who can’t get an opportunity to do something about it? Sure. Can that disability come from genetics, sure. But that’s a small minority of people who are overweight.

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- Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  it shows
  
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  - kcweller@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Read the sources here and you see that monogenetic, epigenetic and polygenetic obesity is only partly of influence on actually becoming obese, and that with a proper healthy environment (which not everyone has access too, I understand) obesity doesn’t need to develop.
    
    obesitymedicine.org/blog/obesity-and-genetics/
    
    Meanwhile, where are the sources supporting the initial statement?
    
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  - klemptor@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    This is a recent problem. Do we think those purported fat genes just evolved in society over the past eightyish years, and spread so widely that, per the 2017-2018 NHANES data, 73% of American adults are overweight (30.7%) or obese (42.4%)? On a population level it’s clear this cannot be genetic. There’s been a cultural shift that has caused this problem, often thought to be related to processed food, less time to cook, and for some underserved communities, food deserts.
    
    Look at how dramatically obesity has risen since the '80s:
    
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    Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    It’s an overly simplistic view of the very complex set of issues. Even if we isolate the weight, which we shouldn’t do, even if we assume we should all strive to be of some set weight, which we shouldn’t do even harder, there is no one definitive factor that contributes to that. Reducting it all to “just eat better bro” is, in a lot of cases, akin to saying to a person with depression “just stop being sad”.
    There is no “weight gene”, but it doesn’t mean there is no underlying physical issues that a person can’t overcome with just a sheer force of will.
    And that’s not even going into the poverty cycle issue, which means that for some people better dietary choices simply unavailable.
    Notice, I don’t know the percentage of people with it, but neither do you. But the problem is, weather a person can do something about their weight or not, putting all the, pardon the pun, weight of their bodyshape on them is almost never helpful, and almost always harmful.
    
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dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
And you sound like a moron. OP didn’t say anything and you said even less.

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CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Used to see the odd “genetics” fat person and they’d just be built a bit bigger. Now I’m seeing fucking waddling planetoids and that’s not genetics man. Part of that blame belongs to individuals but part of it belongs to the food lobbyists and their quest to add sugar and corn syrup to everything.

Incentivise people to grow their own vegetables (or source them locally from those who already are) and disincentivise the purchase of processed and sweetened food. Have our agencies promote healthy recipes using weight rather than volume measurements and show people how to use scales to properly weigh ingredients and help make it as easy as possible to count calories.

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