None of that is for (directly) religious reasons though; Americans circumcise their sons because a cereal company founder thought it would prevent masturbation, and Americans are removed apparently
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sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago… Unless you’re in Protestant dominated USAmerica, where male genital mutilation remains a widespread a common practice.
Roughly 80% of American boys/men are circumcized.
I can provide either statistics or pics as proof, your choice.
Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
… It is an unchallenged remnant of many things, a large chunk of those things having puritanical religious origins.
And almost all those religions happen to be Jesus-centric.
Kellogg was just a more recent large scale eh… reinforcment of the norm. He was inspired by his particular Christian views… 7th Day Adventist.
Like, yes, its not as direct as many modern preachers constantly doing sermons about the virtuosity of circumcision… but even still, I can easily say that the reason the practice is unchallenged is that American Protestant Christians of many, many different Denominations… well they strongly promote traditionalism for the sake of tradition, not questioning authority figures, actively rejecting modern science and medicine.
Like uh… Max Weber’s christian protestant work ethic explanation of the peculiarities of American culture in regards to attitudes toward work and politics and many other cultural features… isn’t 100% perfect… but it is a very good starting point to understand why American Protestantism is sociologically distinct to other societies.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Lol I guess one of the involved instances censors that word.
Devadander@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Which has fuck-all to do with Jesus, the meme is still incorrect
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 days ago
Pentecostal holiness denominations are both small and overrepresented in policy making
Devadander@lemmy.world 2 days ago
? I agree with you. Has nothing to do with Jesus, the meme is wrong
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 days ago
no yeah for sure. i’m just saying that the subset of people who are gungho about the importance of circumcision because of their love for jesus are people you’re unlikely to ever encounter, but do have every conservative politician’s ear
MissJinx@lemmy.world 2 days ago
But that’s not religious. It’s an american thing.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
It is an American thing that arose from, and persists because of how Americans ‘do’ Christianity.
As I said in another post, start with Max Weber, and then explore more of the history of how Christianity and Christian Denominations, cults, sects, revival movements, etc, have shaped the country as a whole, in ways that are distinct from how other kinds of Christianity have shaped other countries in the last 300 or so years.
Like… the whole reason we have the First Amendment, the freedom of religion part… was mainly to make it so that none of the varying Christian Denominations would be able to use the government to censor or outright oppress or murder each other.
Read the journals of the founding fathers, federalist papers, etc, if you doubt that.
America was largely initially founded by populations of varying kinds of extreme Christian Sects fleeing persecution in Europe… and a lot of our early history is… those sects persecuting and mistreating, or at best, barely tolerating and competetively trying to proselytize, other sects that just over here now, on a different continent… as well as all the indigenous populations… and the imported slaves.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 days ago
It’s motivated by Christian sexual abuse
Guidy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Tell that to the doctors recommending it then, not to us. As far as I’m concerned this obsession over it is a mental disease and not one I’m pleased to see making the jump from Reddit.
I’m circumcised, and I don’t give a shit, and I never will, and it’s not the same thing as FGM at all.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Discussing it isn’t an obsession, an obsession would be making your whole personality about it, or basically having that be a primary hobby or something.
You are doing a less extreme version of the thing that politcal news pundits do against protests:
Protesting as a concept is fine, but it turns out any protest with views I disagree with? Well they’re protesting wrong.
If you are reading this as an obsession, I dunno what to tell you, check my comment history and you’ll see this is the first thread I’ve ever mentioned it in, and my older, nearly year old account? Don’t think I ever mentioned it.
Finally: Yes, female genital mutilation is very often much, much worse, in that it usually entails total removal of the clitoris, which is… basically fundamental to the ability of a woman to experience pleasure and orgasm.
But that doesn’t mean male genital mutilation is not also bad. The male hood also generally has a much higher concentration of nerve endings than… basically everywhere other than the head.
And both of these practices fundamentally remove bodily autonomy from a baby/child, and are culturally/religiously done for reasons that ultimately or directly arise from a very paternalistic and authoritarian approach to children as property of parents, and intending to diminish and control their sexual characteristics without consent.
… But if you don’t wanna have this discussion, feel free to block me, or just… not discuss… this…?
Guidy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I will block you because this is tedious, but know that I will always discuss this and never let it go uncommented on because it’s unhinged. While you supposedly don’t make this your entire personality there were those on Reddit who definitely did, and you smell just like them. I will never stop speaking out that this whole thing is a bullshit non issue.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 days ago
I will always discuss this and never let it go uncommented on
I dunno, sounds like the one who’s made it their whole personality might not be spectral here.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Glad you left your reddit trauma at the door to lemmy and certainly aren’t making any personal judgements based entirely on vibes rofl.
I will never stop speaking out that this whole thing is a bullshit non issue.
Not obsessive in any way at all, nope, that’s me apparently.
Hahahahaha
OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Why would you come to a thread about circumcision, read the comments about circumcision, and leave a comment about being fed up of circumcision discussions if you were tired of talking about circumcision? If anyone’s “unhinged” here it’s the guy who doesn’t just move on to the next thread.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Good vid!
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 days ago
no i know. i’m part of that statistic. my parents weren’t consulted ahead of time. it was simply done “for health reasons”
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
… are you saying you don’t want pics…
/s /s /s lol
I edited in a bit more info… yet another wonderful amazing lie I had to figure out entirely on my own that my fundie parents told me with utter confidence.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 days ago
i saw the edit