comparing women to cows is misogynist. don’t do that.
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Teppichbrand@feddit.de 8 months agoIf you’d impregnate a woman without her consent, take away her baby and then her milk to drink and make delicous cheese of you’d go to jail. If you do that to a different mammal you don’t, yet. Because specisim. We do whatever the fuck we want with them. They’re just cows.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 months ago
dx1@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve read this reply in so many forms over the years, and it absolutely misses the point. It’s not misogynistic, the point isn’t to downgrade human women, it’s to point out the horrendous inhuman actions we do to animals and how they absolutely fail the basic moral reasoning we apply to ourselves.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think it’s reasonable to expect that we treat women better than cows.
neshura@bookwormstory.social 8 months ago
wow the absolute irony of this statement being downvoted. Turn it around and it would be, rightfully, absolutely shat on for being misogynistic to the max.
neshura@bookwormstory.social 8 months ago
even if not intended you do downgrade human women. Even in the best case scenario a cow is still incapable of holding a conversation on a human level. There are very few animals that can hold a candle to our intellect and by claiming you should treat human women the same as an animal incapable of higher conversation you ARE insulting them and downgrading them.
dx1@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Except I didn’t even say that.
abraxas@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
These Militant Vegans think they elevate animals to equal of humans, but instead they just reduce humans to the level of animals (or below) in their treatment.
dx1@lemmy.world 8 months ago
As the saying goes, I don’t eat, exploit or sexually abuse humans either, I just rule it out across the board, while you guys don’t.
You sure do rationalize the shit out of how we’re worse than you because we have stricter/consistent moral standards though! Always some twisted bit of logic to explain that one.
biddy@feddit.nl 8 months ago
But you do exploit humans. The food you eat, the clothes you wear, actually pretty much everything you use was made with exploitation. The fact you can choose to go vegan and complain about it on the internet means you are incredibly privledged. As am I.
You talk about rational discussion but all I’m seeing from you is the opposite, “all meat eaters are evil”.
The world is complicated and there’s a lot of things wrong with it. You chose one problem to focus on, and that’s great. But just because other people have other things that they prioritize doesn’t mean they are bad people.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Having an actual rational discussion is right out the window because god forbid you engage honestly with
someone who understands your arguments and doesnt fall for them.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 months ago
no one is sexually abusing animals, either, and you most certainly do exploit other people.
abraxas@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
As the saying goes, I don’t eat, exploit or sexually abuse humans either
First off, feel free to open with any scientific evidence that cows suffer the emotional trauma of sexual abuse from farming. Because the thing is, we have thousands of years of evidence and that doesn’t seem to be the correct conclusion. No, calling cattle insemination sexual abuse is a malicious lie.
You sure do rationalize the shit out of how we’re worse than you because we have stricter/consistent moral standards though!
This. Right. fucking. here. You are telling me that my moral system is less than dirt. That I am inferior to you. You don’t talk about it with any genuine respect. If I won’t “sexually abuse” my ethics, I’m dirt underneath your feet. You didn’t argue the points here, because I’m beneath you. Less than you. Let me guess, some of that human-hating-vegan propaganda where I either haven’t thought about it, or I’ve taken a retardation shotgun to my head because I “loooooooove” the taste of meat? Because I can’t just think YOU’RE wrong. No, I can’t do that. Because I’m too stupid to. Right?
You wouldn’t really understand unless you’ve lived through it, but it’s a little nasty little bit of discrimination in its own right
I’m a member of a fringe religion that my country tried to ban, so fuck “little nasty bit of discrimination”. YOU DON’T GET TO CALL YOURSELF A VICTIM OF DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE I DON’T LIKE YOU BELITTLING ME. That’s not how discrimination works. You sound like the Religious Right who think they are victims every time they don’t get to ban Mosques or gay marriage.
and get treated like subhumans for it
I don’t think you’re a subhuman. I think you’re a zealot. HUGE fucking difference. It’s not discrimination when you judge someone’s actions. I don’t call your horrible behavior “discriminatory” because you’re disagreeing with what I do and not who I am. The judgement is mutual. You don’t get to call it discriminatory because I won’t bend over for you and your bullshit pseudoscience.
Having an actual rational discussion is right out the window
You mean by calling the dairy and cattle industry “sexual abuse”? You start being the least bit rational, and then you can MAYBE try to judge the kettle. Let me point out that I was agreeing with somebody about treating cows and women the same being misogynistic, and you just fucking went off on me. Because agreeing that bullshit is bullshit is somehow “irrational” and attacking non-vegans for not accepting that bullshit is “irrational”. No. YOU are irrational.
because god forbid you engage honestly with a “militant vegan” who’s lived through, rejected and moved past the thinking you’re still stuck on.
Actually I was engaging with a decent human being I agreed with, and a militant vegan decided to approach me with a persecution complex. So in this thread, why should I care what you’ve lived through? Do you approve of being approach on the street by strangers and judged?
And I’ve “lived through, rejected, and moved past” your thinking, too. I used to be an active member of a religion that has strong roots in both philosophical veganism and in philosophical omnivorism. Circle of live vs All life is sacred sects. You might not realize it, but a lot of people with a lot more understanding of ethics and a lot more philosophical background than you have spent a lot more time thinking about veganism than you have. And I lived through it, rejected it, and came out the other side.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 8 months ago
Yeah just use the word militant even if the word after it isn’t even accurate and you’ll be extra correct 💯
abraxas@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Oh I agree, but the topic here is militant vegans :)
SCB@lemmy.world 8 months ago
We do whatever the fuck we want with them. They’re just cows.
Your tone suggests this is sarcastic, but this is 100% correct.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 months ago
speciesism is necessary for right action.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 months ago
talking about consent from cows is absurd: do you get consent from a door before you put your whole self through it?
dx1@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Don’t confuse you not being able to obtain consent with them with them having an inability to not want something. This speaks to you having no clue what’s going on in their heads.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 months ago
sentence and consent are unrelated. One has nothing to do with the other.
dx1@lemmy.world 8 months ago
An animal can indicate things to a human, i.e., “I want food”, “please scratch me”, or “where is my baby that you just took away”. They can’t sign their name on a legally binding contract but that doesn’t mean they’re incapable of wanting or not wanting something.