If you’d impregnate a woman without her consent, take away her baby and then her milk to drink and make delicous cheese of you’d go to jail. If you do that to a different mammal you don’t, yet. Because specisim. We do whatever the fuck we want with them. They’re just cows.
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federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years agomilking cows isn’t abuse
Teppichbrand@feddit.de 3 years ago
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
talking about consent from cows is absurd: do you get consent from a door before you put your whole self through it?
dx1@lemmy.world 3 years ago
Don’t confuse you not being able to obtain consent with them with them having an inability to not want something. This speaks to you having no clue what’s going on in their heads.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
sentence and consent are unrelated. One has nothing to do with the other.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
comparing women to cows is misogynist. don’t do that.
dx1@lemmy.world 3 years ago
I’ve read this reply in so many forms over the years, and it absolutely misses the point. It’s not misogynistic, the point isn’t to downgrade human women, it’s to point out the horrendous inhuman actions we do to animals and how they absolutely fail the basic moral reasoning we apply to ourselves.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
I think it’s reasonable to expect that we treat women better than cows.
neshura@bookwormstory.social 3 years ago
even if not intended you do downgrade human women. Even in the best case scenario a cow is still incapable of holding a conversation on a human level. There are very few animals that can hold a candle to our intellect and by claiming you should treat human women the same as an animal incapable of higher conversation you ARE insulting them and downgrading them.
abraxas@sh.itjust.works 3 years ago
These Militant Vegans think they elevate animals to equal of humans, but instead they just reduce humans to the level of animals (or below) in their treatment.
dx1@lemmy.world 3 years ago
As the saying goes, I don’t eat, exploit or sexually abuse humans either, I just rule it out across the board, while you guys don’t.
You sure do rationalize the shit out of how we’re worse than you because we have stricter/consistent moral standards though! Always some twisted bit of logic to explain that one.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 3 years ago
Yeah just use the word militant even if the word after it isn’t even accurate and you’ll be extra correct 💯
SCB@lemmy.world 3 years ago
We do whatever the fuck we want with them. They’re just cows.
Your tone suggests this is sarcastic, but this is 100% correct.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
speciesism is necessary for right action.
Teppichbrand@feddit.de 3 years ago
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
i know what artificial insemination is:
it’s a veterinary procedure.
your cartoon isn’t an accurate representation of what happens on farms,
and
comparing women to cows is gross.
dx1@lemmy.world 3 years ago
It’s incredible how this always goes the same way. Somebody points out the extreme double standard we apply between behavior that would be reprehensible to our species, and that same behavior performed to a different species (that most of us struggle with understanding or having any level of communication with), and without fail, somebody comes along and goes, “you’re being misogynistic/racist by demonstrating the similarity between exploitation of animals and the same ways we exploited humans in the past, using the exact same excuses and mentality as we do for animals now!”
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
comparing women to cows is gross. you shouldn’t do that.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
the extreme double standard we apply between behavior that would be reprehensible to our species, and that same behavior performed to a different species (that most of us struggle with understanding or having any level of communication with)
like feeding them the most basic easy-to-digest nutrients and allowing them to live in their own waste until the waste becomes so great that literally every organism living there dies? like we do with beer and wine? yea. we are totally hypocritical monsters…
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
it makes no sense to discuss consent from cows. do you get consent from your chair when you sit in it?
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
it’s not a double standard. it’s justified discrimination. speciesism is necessary for right conduct.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
the extreme double standard we apply between behavior that would be reprehensible to our species, and that same behavior performed to a different species (that most of us struggle with understanding or having any level of communication with)
like burying zygotes in the ground and those who survive to maturity, you cut off their reproductive organs and then grind them to dust to be fed to people?
i guess grain harvesting is totally evil.
SCB@lemmy.world 3 years ago
Man if you just ignore the absurd message they’re trying to promote and just watch this kinda stoned as surrealism, it’s a really fun video.
Thanks for sharing.
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SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 3 years ago
Unless you consider the fact that the only reason they need milking is that they were forced into pregnancy in the first place.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
that’s still not abuse
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 3 years ago
Ya know, all you’re doing here is advertising the fact that you have no empathy whatsoever.
Literally nothing else.
abraxas@sh.itjust.works 3 years ago
This is an example of behavior that pushes anyone who isn’t a militant vegan away. I even know vegans who have second thoughts about their decisions over attitudes like those represented in the comment above me.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
i have empathy. cows giving birth and producing milk isn’t abuse.
dx1@lemmy.world 3 years ago
Yeah, it is. Actual industry practice - impregnate cow mechanically without consent, bring baby cow to term, kill majority of baby cows for veal after separation after a few days from birth, repeat after cows stops producing milk, until cow is used up (around 10 years IIRC, a fraction of their normal lifespan) and also killed for meat.
ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 years ago
Talking about cows giving consent for sex is peak insanity. Do you think bulls take a cow out for a few dates beforehand?
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
it makes no sense to discuss consent from cows. do you get consent from a lamp when you turn it on?
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
The normal lifespan of a dairy cow is 5 years. two and a half to 3 years for beef cattle.
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 years ago
almost no cows end up as veal.