Comment on How to smash the looms today - I've always loved tech. Now, I'm a Luddite. You should be one, too.

Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  All new technologies can help us living a better life, it doesn’t make sense using them to build a worst society

  It does if all you care about is short-term profit. Gotta make them stockholders happy before they bail.

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• Kasumi@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s like saying that someone who built the steam engine actively killed people. The steam engine was a great thing. Politics must deal with social changes. Because we know that any technological advance can result in social instability if left in the hand of wrong people.

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    • Kasumi@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • machinin@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think you need a little more help with logic and reading comprehension before you respond so condescendingly.

        OP’s point is that the technology will not create a paradise or hell. It is the political environment that does that. The technology is simply a tool that will be used.

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      • Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I am well, thanks for asking.

        Currently the tech I am a huge fan of is helping me a lot handling the daily business. It has been a godsend for my mental health. It is helping me in a lot of area I struggle with (paper work and meaningless corporate processes), it helps me better organizing my work, and it support me in areas where I used to heavily rely on Google and forums. It helps me to learn and improve. Overall I am a happy chatgpt customer.

        Other than that, we don’t have AI yet, still layoffs are at record number. Layoffs and suffering are not caused by AI, or whatever fancy tech. They are caused by current economic system that cannot redistribute wealth. They’ve been there before AI, they’ll be there after AI.

        If you believe that blocking AI will change anything… No it won’t. It won’t change anything.

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is uniquely naïve to a frankly disturbing degree. Your work is actively going to kill people across the developed world when they fall out of the workforce with zero replacement jobs nor opportunities.

    Huh. Sounds like a good argument for a UBI.

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    • Kasumi@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t pretend to know the future. Things can change radically or things can stay the same for decades. I see no reason to assume anything. I am not optimistic, but I am not going to stop fighting just because of that.

        I wasn’t optimistic about stopping the war in Iraq. I still marched against it. I wasn’t optimistic in SCOTUS ending Roe v. Wade. I still marched against it.

        Maybe you don’t see the point of fighting even when change isn’t likely, but making a mark on history is worth something.

        Remember this man? He knew he was not going to win. He did it anyway.

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  • xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If your first reaction to criticism is to discount it as artificial I would suggest taking stock of yourself and how you engage in discussions.

    AI/ML is an extremely broad field, while some assholes do have terrible motives most of the work is tool building. We build tools to help do things that are monotonous or difficult for humans to do so people can focus on more creative work… while acknowledging that the field carries some extreme dangers if misused. AI alone isn’t the problem, the concentration of wealth is devastating to society and we need to fix that before AI makes it worse - but AI itself is a tool for good.

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    • Kasumi@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think you’re taking a far too narrow view if you can state that it’s not positive. At my company we’ve managed to drastically reduce the amount of dumb menial stuff that people have to do and we haven’t fired people when we’ve managed to drastically increase productivity. In some cases AI is going to be terribly misused but it’s a tool and we should use it to make people’s lives better.

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  • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re surprised keep the status quo is a controversial opinion in a work reform subreddit?

    Where in a non-AI world do you imagine workers as gaining the things you say they can’t post?

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    • Kasumi@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What part of work reform do you think entails keeping things the same?

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      • irmoz@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’re being dishonest if you think this movement is uncritically excited for AI with no other social movements

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